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Floyd Money Mayweather vs Sugar Shane Mosley

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by TyCooN, Jan 19, 2010.

  1. TyCooN

    TyCooN Senior member

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    I was impressed by how quick Floyd handled being hit flush by the hardest hitter in the division. It only took him about 10 seconds to regain his senses from Mosley's looping right and to walk down Shane. I was expecting to see Floyd down for the first time in his own career (I don't count the injured hand in the Hernandez fight), but he managed to whether the storm. This showed us lots about Floyd. He did the right thing by standing in the pocket to smolder shane and trying to sneak in body shots. The last 35 seconds of the 2nd rd were all Mayweather, despite Mosley hurting him with two big shots earlier in the round. The way the round ended would make you think nothing happened to Floyd. Mosley is a great finisher, and he would have KO'd Floyd had he chose to run or just cover up. The sharks in the ocean can't get you if they don't smell your blood. Floyd was pressing the action in the last 35 seconds of the 2nd and the entire 3rd. Shane was trying to use his jab to set up shots on Floyd in the 3rd to no avail. Those lead leaping left hooks and Floyd's counter right kept Mosley honest. Mayweather took away all of Mosley's offensive arsenals in that 3rd. Everyone knows Mosley doesn't have a good jab, but that was all he was left with. Being countered way too often after throwing his useless punch made him lose confidence, and having the last minute of round two taken away from him by a pressing forward Floyd killed him psychologically. We all expected Floyd to win, but no one thought he was going to walk Mosley down. Mosley was shocked himself. The 2nd and 3rd rounds of this fight were the best parts. It only took $ two rounds to crack the Shane Mosley code. Respect goes out to Shane for a wild 2008 by exposing and KO'ing Margacheato, and his entertaining ring antics in 2009 on September 19th. Who knows how many more careers Margacheato would have ruined if not for Shane.
     
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    well that was boring.
     
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    well that was boring.

    it was boring in the sense of seeing someone be totally outboxed.

    this was a bit like watching the Lakers vs Celtics 2008: superpower semi-one dimensional offense and athletic ability vs total team defense with counter attack.

    I honestly don't know how anyone smaller than PBF can beat him unless its a KO (or a major knock down and just surviving/losing in a decision). I only see someone tall (over 6ft) like paul williams have a realistic chance.

    What impressed me about floyd was his corner. PBF actually took the advice (except for the 1st and 2nd round). They were calm and collected throughout (even bringing him right back to his senses after the 2nd).
     
  4. TyCooN

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    I honestly don't know how anyone smaller than PBF can beat him unless its a KO (or a major knock down and just surviving/losing in a decision). I only see someone tall (over 6ft) like paul williams have a realistic chance.
    Margarito was able to stand and trade with Williams, but he was knocked out by Shane. Seems like Mosley has moar power. PBF survived Mosley's best shot; he was working on specifically in camp just for Saturday's fight. Paul Williams doesn't like to box tall for someone of his stature with monster reach. Very sloppy fighter, he even lunges in to smolder his own shots. Throws too side, and he loves to fight at mid range. All that combined with his big body leaves him to be countered. Williams struggled whenever he fought someone with slickness; he was outboxed by Quintana and confused by Martinez countering. He loses by decision vs PBF. Easier win for Mayweather @ 147, but moar challenging @ 154. I don't think Williams can make 147 anymore? The only opponent in the welterweight division with a skill set close enough to make a potentially competitive fight with Floyd is Pacquiao. Shane Mosley has much stronger one shot power than pacquiao does, and his chin is superior. Pacquiao by being the smallest man in the welterweight division will be sacrificing power along with durability. He doesn't have the reach or a jab that's good enough to get into the proper range. The best punch to throw against a fighter standing in the opposite stance is a cross. PBF's right hand and timing > pac's left hand and timing. I can see his foot speed bothering Mayweather at first. Mayweather will push back as hard as he's pushed, and pacquiao is a very aggressive fighter. Pacquiao gets knocked out in the late rounds. Zab Judah was walked down after having a good first four rounds, Ricky Hatton received enough punishment to be KO'd for constantly trying to fight ugly, Marquez was knocked down after landing his best shot of the night, and Mosley was fucked after he "woke up" Mayweather in round 2. His chin gets shattered by Mayweather's straight right hand along with the dreams of his countrymen resting on his shoulders, as he goes down. http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slu...thervspacquiao http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=126448111
    If we fight, I’ll need more speed because Mayweather is fast For me, as long as the drug test is not done close to the match, I'll agree because if they'll get blood from me close to the match, it will be a disadvantage for me because I'm smaller and he's big
    How do you beat someone who's faster than you, bigger than you, and has better timing? Pac is already worried about Mayweather's size, but Mayweather's style doesn't involve very much brute strength. PBF even boxed the whole way against a much smaller man in Marquez. Then there's Martinez who Mayweather is considering, in case pacquiao decides to duck him a 2nd time. His cross isn't all that great, his jab is okay, and his right hook is his money shot. Doesn't throw too many combos since he fights with his hands down at the waist. He's a counter punching, pot short artist like PBF, but he has bad balance due to his awkward style, less accuracy, and uses athleticism for D. Martinez is the quickest man in his weight divisons. Like pacquiao, I think his movement will bother Mayweather at first. After PBF sets the timing down right, he'll outbox him to a UD. Mayweather's timing and accuracy along with Sergio's awkward balance is a recipe to rack up points by flash knockdowns. PBF should beat pacquiao first to increase his star power even more, and then go after those other two. That way he can make more money. Those are the only meaningful fights for him right now, and if he beats at least two of them he has a case for being really up there. They all happen to be southpaws. His skills are already some of the best, most likely the greatest boxing we'll ever see in our lifetimes. Anyways, I agree that bigger men like Williams and Martinez would be a harder fight for PBF. In no way are they greater than Pacquiao, but their size advantages makes for a harder fight against PBF.
     
  5. frenchy

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    TYCOON,you beat somebody whos faster then you by going to the body and slowing them the fuck down.been done many times...roy jones was fast and mosley was fast (when forrest beah his ass when he was in his prime) so was oscar and Ali
    .the list goes on and on.
    Mosley had no plan B,brother Nazeem didnt tell him to the body to go not ONCE.
    Money hates being hit to the body (castillo) and even had a previous rib injury.
    i think Martinez is just as smart as him,and will go to the body.
    and yes he does keep his hands low but he throws a shit load of combos,dont know what you are talking about there.
     
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    Nah Martinez is more of a 1, 2 then backs off. High energy fighter with awesome stamina though... too bad he started boxing a little old at 20 years of age... I still think Paul will be a good fight vs Mayweather (if he can make weight) but we'll know for sure after the Cintron fight.


    I think Mayweather is the #1 p4p after that performance. A Money vs Manny fight has to be made
     
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    TYCOON,you beat somebody whos faster then you by going to the body and slowing them the fuck down.been done many times...roy jones was fast and mosley was fast (when forrest beah his ass when he was in his prime) so was oscar and Ali .the list goes on and on. Mosley had no plan B,brother Nazeem didnt tell him to the body to go not ONCE. Money hates being hit to the body (castillo) and even had a previous rib injury. i think Martinez is just as smart as him,and will go to the body. and yes he does keep his hands low but he throws a shit load of combos,dont know what you are talking about there.
    Pacquiao doesn't have the reach, jab, and footwork to constantly get in to catch Floyd with body shots. And since was pacquiao a body puncher? He's generally a head hunter first. Emmanuel couldn't even cut off the ring properly to get a true blue knockout on a busted up Cotto You sure he can catch the most elusive fighter in the sport ever since Whitaker? Floyd isn't just faster than manny. Mayweather has more reach than manny, better footwork, better reflexes, better timing, and he's bigger to top it all off. That's a recipe for a disastrous uphill battle. No, Martinez doesn't throw a shit load of combos. He rarely punches in excess of 3. Martinez isn't manny pacquiao. He likes to deliver around 2 hits then back off before they can hit him back. Sometimes he plays the counter puncher. Mayweather would be able to see his combos coming since his 2nd hand is all the way down there after throwing his first punch. Martinez is there to be timed and countered.
     
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    I don't get it. All these guys go into the ring against Mayweather and end up trying to outbox him rather than just rain punches. Mosley had it right the first couple rounds by going after him and being extremely aggressive.

    Basically, you can try to outbox PBF and lose by decision, or you can try to knock him out and actually have a chance at winning. Although Mayweather does deserve a lot of credit for being able to control fights, guys have to be willing to risk being counterpunched and KO'd if they want to beat him. They seem to be more content to stay standing and lose on the cards than to actually give themselves a chance and risk ending up on the canvas.
     
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    Pacquiao doesn't have the reach, jab, and footwork to constantly get in to catch Floyd with body shots. And since was pacquiao a body puncher? He's generally a head hunter first. Emmanuel couldn't even cut off the ring properly to get a true blue knockout on a busted up Cotto You sure he can catch the most elusive fighter in the sport ever since Whitaker?

    Floyd isn't just faster than manny. Mayweather has more reach than manny, better footwork, better reflexes, better timing, and he's bigger to top it all off. That's a recipe for a disastrous uphill battle.

    No, Martinez doesn't throw a shit load of combos. He rarely punches in excess of 3. Martinez isn't manny pacquiao. He likes to deliver around 2 hits then back off before they can hit him back. Sometimes he plays the counter puncher. Mayweather would be able to see his combos coming since his 2nd hand is all the way down there after throwing his first punch. Martinez is there to be timed and countered.


    i was referring to Martinez's bodypunching,i agree manny is all head shots
     
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    I don't get it. All these guys go into the ring against Mayweather and end up trying to outbox him rather than just rain punches. Mosley had it right the first couple rounds by going after him and being extremely aggressive.

    Basically, you can try to outbox PBF and lose by decision, or you can try to knock him out and actually have a chance at winning. Although Mayweather does deserve a lot of credit for being able to control fights, guys have to be willing to risk being counterpunched and KO'd if they want to beat him. They seem to be more content to stay standing and lose on the cards than to actually give themselves a chance and risk ending up on the canvas.


    exactly,you cannot out box the best pure boxer in the world...you gotta make that mothefucker "fight".remember when mcgirt told gatti to box him?that dumb shit,worst advice ever,,he should have said go in there and rough him up...hit him in the shoulders,arms,chest..i think he stll would have lost but not as humiliating..RIP
     
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    That fight should end the PBF vs Pac Man debate re P4P! It's PBF easily!
     
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    That fight should end the PBF vs Pac Man debate re P4P! It's PBF easily!
    +1, Mosley offered to come all the way down to 140 to fight pac after he knocked out Hatton. The pac camp didn't want anything to do with him. Floyd just toyed with Mosley and took his best shots.

    I've been saying the same thing from day one Floyd is the true P4P King, emmanuel was merely the ACTING king.

    My idea stays the same, if emmanuel signs the contract to fight for floyd, $ stops his AZZ in the later rounds.
     
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    I was at the fight in Vegas, great fight in terms of action in rounds 2-3 and Money May just displaying his boxing mastery the last 10 rounds. Great atmosphere and great energy, and Money May is still #1, all the haters be damned.

    TyCoon is right. God-willing the Mayweather-Pacquaio fight finally happens, I think Money May will TKO Pac-Man in the 11th round. Pacquiao will find himself down on points and his corner will tell him he's at the point of no return and needs to KO. Will go all in and leave himself open to Money May to drop major damage and get TKO. It will be a great fight and tightly contested in the earlier rounds, but Mayweather is just too good, too great.
     
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    TyCoon is right. God-willing the Mayweather-Pacquaio fight finally happens, I think Money May will TKO Pac-Man in the 11th round. Pacquiao will find himself down on points and his corner will tell him he's at the point of no return and needs to KO. Will go all in and leave himself open to Money May to drop major damage and get TKO. It will be a great fight and tightly contested in the earlier rounds, but Mayweather is just too good, too great.
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    Emmanuel doesn't sound very confident or sure of himself at all. I wonder where all his fans on styleforum magically disappeared to?
    or maybe being a loudmouth shit-talker isn't his style....I mean, I can see how any Floyd fan is not going to value humility, but others live by it.
     
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    or maybe being a loudmouth shit-talker isn't his style....

    +1, since when do you have to claim superiority to win a fight?

    And it's interesting that Mayweather isn't responding to the after-fight blood test argument. I did not even know they did a blood test immediately after the fight so that was news to me. If you're Floyd, how can you argue against the fairness in that? How could any fighter be taking performance enhancing drugs... and at the same time be able to pass a blood test immediately after the fight is over??

    Can someone please answer that?
     
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    or maybe being a loudmouth shit-talker isn't his style....I mean, I can see how any Floyd fan is not going to value humility, but others live by it.
    I thought B.J. Penn nuthuggers were bad, but they don't compare to Mayweather nuthuggers.

    +1, since when do you have to claim superiority to win a fight?

    And it's interesting that Mayweather isn't responding to the after-fight blood test argument. I did not even know they did a blood test immediately after the fight so that was news to me. If you're Floyd, how can you argue against the fairness in that? How could any fighter be taking performance enhancing drugs... and at the same time be able to pass a blood test immediately after the fight is over??

    Can someone please answer that?

    Mayweather knows that the best way to avoid Pacquiao's punches is to avoid getting into the ring with him in the first place. Since when does the challenger get to make demands on the champion above and beyond what the state athletic commission requires?
     
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    +1, since when do you have to claim superiority to win a fight? And it's interesting that Mayweather isn't responding to the after-fight blood test argument. I did not even know they did a blood test immediately after the fight so that was news to me. If you're Floyd, how can you argue against the fairness in that? How could any fighter be taking performance enhancing drugs... and at the same time be able to pass a blood test immediately after the fight is over?? Can someone please answer that?
    Disclaimer - I'm on Manny's side on this one, he's following the rules, and is well within his rights to decline when his opponent decides to make new rules just to be irritating.....but, in answer to your question...it depends on how soon before the fight he has the blood test. If he was doping in the leadup to the fight, putting on mountains of muscle and so on, and then went off the juice at the right time (and I'm sure he could find a doctor to make sure he had the timing down), he could theoretically come in clean at a post fight test. A test a the morning of a fight isn't going to detect anything a post fight test misses. A test a month before may - but that's not what Mayweather wants. I also see Manny's point about it weakening him, I mean, we all know the post blood test woozy feeling, and we're not pushing our bodies like he is. Last thing he needs is that a few hours before he climbs in to the ring.
     
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    How could any fighter be taking performance enhancing drugs... and at the same time be able to pass a blood test immediately after the fight is over?? Can someone please answer that?
    That's not the point. The point is to have the fight be fair. If you just lost while someone was on PEDs then it wasn't a fair fight. Sure they can bust emmanuel with an after fight test if he tested positive, but he still won the fight with an unfair advantage.
    Since when does the challenger get to make demands on the champion above and beyond what the state athletic commission requires?
    Are you talking about how manny pacquiao challenged Miguel Cotto and demanded the champion's belt be put up at catch weight?
    I thought B.J. Penn nuthuggers were bad, but they don't compare to Mayweather nuthuggers.
    You're not even seeing shit straight anymoar with manny's sack on your tongue. [​IMG]Emmanuel is no longer no pound for pound king. He would be the one fighting for Floyd's first place spot. That makes him the challenger.
     

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