Florence, Rome

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  1. andreyb

    andreyb Active Member

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    Gentlemen,

    I plan to visit Florence and Rome at the last week of april. I will be staying in each of these two cities for two days; I believe that this time is, sadly, not enough for a proper bespoke.

    Still, I plan to make some purchases, and would be very grateful for your suggestions for places / shops where one day is sufficient for purchase / ordering.

    I inspected the "Style and the man" book by Alan Flusser and compiled a small list:

    Florence
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    Leonardo Bugelli (Via Fra'Bartolommeo, 21)
    H. Neuber (Galleria Tornabuoni, Via Tornabuoni)
    Principe (Piazza Strozzi, 1)

    Rome
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    Battistoni (Via Condotti, 61A)
    Micocci (Largo Fontanella Borghese, 78)
    Old Bond Street (Via Gregoriana, 47)
    Serafini (Via Condotti, 62)

    Flusser's book was published in 1996; probably some of these shops was closed / moved. Gentlemen, do you have any suggestions for them?

    Also, I read a topic on Avon Celli, and had been inspired. Any suggestions for good places to buy Avon Celli knitwear for affordable prices?

    Andrey
     
  2. Roy

    Roy Senior member

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    I just got back from Rome yesterday. I loved it. But it was very disappointing shoppingwise.

    If I were you, I would hang around the Via Condotti area and explore all the side streets such as the 'Mario de Fiori' (Borrelli), Bocca di Leone (Lattanzi) and the streets parallel to the condotti. This is the shopping area for the designers and bespoke stuff.

    Battistoni is a bit hard to find, but when I did, I didn't like it one bit. But I just loved the Brioni shop at the Via Barberini. Brioni has 3 shops, one on the Condotti, one on the Via Veneto and the main shop on the Via Barberini. The Via Barberini shop has been the first Brioni store in the world and has been there since 1945.

    Petrocchi is located in the Via del Orso, but unfortunately was closed when I was there. Bonora is located in the Via del Babuino. Also close to the Via Condotti (and thus the Spanish steps). Zilli is on the Via Veneto, near the Via Campania. While you're there I would go to Via Campania 61 to Sartoria Caraceni. Really great to see.
     
  3. Roy

    Roy Senior member

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    BTW, Borrelli in Rome was pretty damn cheap [​IMG] A friend of mine bought two shirts for 170 euro's each. And they weren't even on sale. I bought 2 linnen shirts for 225 euro each. For comparison, I also bought a tie and pochet at Brioni as gift for my father, that was 175 euros. So a Brioni tie in Rome is more expensive than a Borrelli shirt [​IMG]
     
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    Matt [email protected]

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    if you can find a tailor, then its time enough to select fabrics, get measured and get the work underway. You just have to find a way to get back for your fittings unless you can find a tailor that visits Russia
     
  5. andreyb

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    Roy,

    Thank you for your suggestions. Could you, please, elaborate on Petrocchi, Bonora and Zilli? I haven't heard of them before.

    Andrey
     
  6. Roy

    Roy Senior member

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    Petrocchi and Bonora are shoemakers, like Lattanzi. Bonora is in the same price range as lattanzi I believe. Very beautiful shoes.

    Unfortunately, Petrocchi was closed while I was in Rome. But they also make bespoke shoes. From what I saw through the window it looked very nice. But I have to admit I couldn't examine them any closer.

    I also visited Rubinacci in the Via Condotti, very beautiful items also. Mostly bespoke, but they told me with just one fitting they could make something and then send it to me later.

    Caraceni told me they need about 3 fittings, but it was very fun to see. It looked a bit old and dodgy, but they have a fitting room with photographs of some of their customers. Like Gianni Agnelli, fashion designer Valentino, Berlusconi etc. They were reasonably affordable too. Their suits start from 2800 euros. About the same as Brioni.

    Zilli makes shoes, ties etc. Quite nice, but i thought they were a bit expensive.
     
  7. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Senior member

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    naturlaut had shoes made at both venues (and a suit made somewhere as well), try searching for those threads.

    koji
     
  8. naturlaut

    naturlaut Senior member

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    (Roy @ April 18 2005,13:50) Petrocchi is located in the Via del Orso, but unfortunately was closed when I was there. Bonora is located in the Via del Babuino. Also close to the Via Condotti (and thus the Spanish steps). Zilli is on the Via Veneto, near the Via Campania.
    Roy, Thank you for your suggestions. Could you, please, elaborate on Petrocchi, Bonora and Zilli? I haven't heard of them before. Andrey
    Both Petrocchi and Bonora are shoemakers: Petrocchi is Rome-based, while Bonora's atelier is in Firenze. None of these have prices comparable to Lattanzi. The Bonora shop in Roma sells only ready-made. I have posted some pictures of their shoes/shop before. If you are stopping by Firenze, then you can get bespoke Bonora there. The prices are reasonable for their hand-goodyear shoes, around 450 Euro, and around 650 Euro for norvegese and boots. There are no shoe trees from Bonora. Shoes are really beautiful. Petrocchi is a personal favourite. They have no ready-made, although you can buy whatever they have on display. They offer MTM and bespoke, with only a small price difference. They are very flexible and the shoes are no-gimmick, down-to-earth Italian models. After your first order, you will receive leather samples where you could order by phone or email thereafter. Other than Borrelli, Fray is also highly regarded in Italy (or at least, in Roma). They have comparable prices, and even MTM Borrelli shirts are priced at around 300 Euro. I personally love Battistoni. The shirts are, of course, amazing, with an array of very fine fabrics. Prices are very reasonable, but they do require at least one fitting --- so I would suggest you stop by Battistoni on the first day. Shoes are contracted to Edward Green, but in Battistoni's label. One fitting for the Rubinacci would be a bit risky, if that would be your first order. I myself didn't think Brioni was such an attraction, except that in Italy they carry a lot more casual jackets that are outsourced (not made by Brioni) and some very hideous shoes. I am not quite sure if the Barberini store is still doing bespoke. Right across from Battistoni, a few steps down from Brioni on Condotti, there is a little hide-out called Saddler Union, which is famous for their bespoke briefcases and leather goods. I had a pair of shoes made there (bespoke) and the turn-around time was quick, and very good for the price (450 Euro). They fit very well, and the leather they used (or that I ordered) doesn't polish to a high shine; as a result the creases on each shoe is barely noticeable (I've worn them about 10 times). Even though an individual last was made, I received no shoe trees from them. All in all, I enjoyed my time in Rome (and we haven't even talked about food.). Have a great time.
     
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    Thracozaag Senior member

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    And in florence, I highly recommend this store:

    Mannina-Via de' Guicciardini, 16 r.

     The top house shoe is Santoni fatte e mano, very reasonably priced, and the bespoke shoes are breathtaking.

    koji
     
  10. Roy

    Roy Senior member

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    I saw quite a few Bonora rtw shoes in the 800-1200 euro range. Just the same for lattanzi. but Lattanzi very quickly jumps up to 2000+ or even around 10.000 euros. Do you have information about Petrocchi's pricing? I have seen of Battistoni's shirts and I wasn't impressed by them. They are nice, of course, but nothing special. I prefer Finamore over Battistoni then. I've seen the Saddler Union store, but haven't visited them. So that was a big mistake then [​IMG] The food in Rome is truly amazing, and I was amazed at how affordable it was. When I was in Paris a decent meal was quite expensive. In Rome it's pretty cheap [​IMG] -edit- BTW, on a Dutch forum I posted some pictures of Rome. I know most of you guys don't understand Dutch. But there's not much text. Just photo's: http://www.stijlforum.nl/viewtopic.php?t=678
     
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    I believe Naturlaut was speaking of bespoke Battistoni. Workmanship is exquiste, fabrics incredible. Totally no comparison to Finnamore RTW.
     
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    Roy Senior member

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    (Roy @ April 18 2005,14:33) I have seen of Battistoni's shirts and I wasn't impressed by them. They are nice, of course, but nothing special. I prefer Finamore over Battistoni then.
    I believe Naturlaut was speaking of bespoke Battistoni. Â Workmanship is exquiste, fabrics incredible. Â Totally no comparison to Finnamore RTW.
    I just had the change to examine what they had 'lying around'. I've visited their shop, and also seen their fabrics. I totally agree that their fabrics are amazing. I also like that they do not have a swatch book, but just pull out a couple of meters of fabric [​IMG] But I haven't seen a bespoke shirt there. Just their RTW line.
     
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    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Battistoni bespoke and RTW shirts have different levels of craftsmanship. The bespoke shirts are exquisite.
     
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    Thanks, Roy, for the link to the wonderful pictures of Rome. Brings back pleasant memories.
     
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    StyleS: are you saying that Rome is more beautiful than, say, Ypsilanti?


    As for me, I could never live someplace like; could never get any work done with all the stuff to look at.
     

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