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Flint and Tinder: Premium Men's Underwear

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by CalTex, Jun 25, 2012.

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  1. CalTex

    CalTex Senior member

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    A new company that is going to make underwear for men, without labels and the markup, similar to Everlane. The company has not started to sell just yet, but I do not expect it will be much longer until they do.

    I am not associated with this company, just wanted to get a thread going.

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    Copy and pasted from the website (same info available through the link)

    Flint and Tinder is ...

    1. Highest quality ingredients for SUPERIOR COMFORT and DURABILITY

    2. 100% Made in America - SUPPORTS USA ECONOMY

    3. Fairly priced

    ... help support by making this your next pair of underwear today.


    Hey Kickstarter,

    Thanks for checking out my project.

    It’s been a wild ride, starting with my noticing that all of the underwear currently on sale at major department stores comes from other countries… and the vast majority is made with poor materials.

    Before I knew it – and without much prior-knowledge – I was trying to find a US factory to make the superior product I had in mind. So far, so good.

    I've got the designs, sourced the fabrics and findings, and found a factory that needs this product as much as I need them... I just need $30,000 to get it going.

    Please support at whatever level you're comfortable with. We'll pay you back with some really fantastic underwear, crafted for comfort with super-high quality materials you’re going to love. If you’ve got the time though, be sure to read the info below as well, it’s wordy but worth it.

    Ready for the best bit? Beyond this opening order, for every 1000 pair we sell per month, 1 full-time job is literally added back to the assembly line. Amazing, right?

    Thanks for your support. - Jake

    A few questions you're likely to ask...

    What makes this underwear better than the other stuff out there?

    We started with the highest quality materials for an unbelievable level of comfort, then spared no expense making sure the construction was built to last.

    The goal is that, from the minute you first put them on through a lifetime of washing, you can feel the difference. That they were made in America should be the icing on the cake.

    PIMA cotton vs SUPIMA cotton; What’s the difference there?

    PIMA cotton is some of the finest cotton on earth. It has extremely long, silky fibers that when properly spun produce a breathable, soft yet durable yarn. But garments labeled PIMA are known to have as little as 5% PIMA, with the remainder of the fibers coming from lesser, easier to produce cotton strains.

    SUPIMA is a trademarked term referring only to American gown PIMA cotton. Using this term requires a license in which the governing body, which closely monitors and licenses every step of the process, certifies that 100% of the cotton used is SUPIMA.

    Flint and Tinder only uses SUPIMA cotton.

    Lets talk design...

    Yes, lets. We started by incorporating every feature you’d find on the most expensive pairs of underwear. With each prototype, we stripped away a little bit more, until we were left with a perfectly balanced garment; Simple in design, rugged in construction, refined in our selection of top-notch materials.

    Where does the underwear I’m wearing right now come from?

    Hard to say without looking at your tag (even a single brand often manufactures in several different countries). Of the underwear available on shelves in Manhattan, here’s what some of their tags say:
    2(x)Ist — Thailand
    A/X — Peru
    Adidas — Indonesia
    American Eagle Outfitters — Macao
    Banana Republic — Indonesia
    Boss Orange — Egypt
    Brooks Brothers — Thailand
    BVD — El Salvador
    Calvin Klein — Vietnam
    Clayborne — Pakistan
    David Beckham/H&M — Cambodia
    Diesel — China
    Emporio Armani — Thailand
    Fruit of the Loom — Vietnam
    Gap — Indonesia
    Hanes — India
    Hugo Boss — China
    Izod — China
    J. Crew — China
    Jockey — India
    Joe Boxer — China
    Kenneth Cole — Thailand
    Old Navy — India
    Pact — Turkey
    Polo / Ralph Lauren — El Salvador
    Stafford — Thailand
    Tommy Hilfiger — Indonesia
    Under Armor — Cambodia
    Uniqulo — China
    Wrangler — China
    etc. etc. etc. Only one comes from the US– American Apparel, but it's not hugely comfortable, isn't made of premium materials, and falls apart in the dryer over time.

    Will buying Flint and Tinder create American jobs?

    You bet your ass it will! And not in some vague way either…

    The factory I'm working with is family owned and operated. It’s over 100 years old. Just before the recession hit, they moved into a larger facility and invested in some of the capital improvements shown in the video (solar power etc.).

    At that time they had 300+ employees and were hoping to double or triple in size. When we started this project however, with the economy in free-fall, they were down to just 90.

    They’ve agreed to learn to make this new, high-end brand of American-made underwear. Here’s the fun part though: For every 1000 pair we sell per month, 1 full-time job has to be added back to the assembly line. Hopefully, with your support, it will help them keep the doors open.

    Wait, how can you make a product here in the US (where labor costs are higher), using better materials, and still charge a competitive price?

    Great question. It’s hard, but not impossible.

    1—Flint and Tinder will sell direct to consumers through our own website. This will avoid the 100% mark-up most stores add to products.

    2—The next stop is wholesale, but with almost no mark-up on our end, making the final retail price about the same as what we sell them for online. Why would we sell our product in a way that lets stores profit while hardly making anything on the deal ourselves? Simple: It’s going to allow us to create an American alternative that sits on shelves right next to it’s foreign-born competitors at a competitive price. Doing this supports our manufacturing partners (as they’ll get to make more underwear), but it’s also good marketing since many customers like touching products in a retail environment that they later order from the web (meaning we’ll get to sell more underwear online too).

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    Sounds intriguing. I'm constantly on the lookout for comfortable, quality underwear to replace my current stock of Hanes and Under Armour. And as of late, I'm very much into Made-in-the-USA products.

    Flint and Tinder's website says they're "just minutes away" from launching their online store. Wonder if that statement has been up for a while. Seems kinda vague, and I doubt I stumbled upon this new venture literally the day of release...
     
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    I think that website is new, I don't remember finding one when I looked for it.
     
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    This underwear is SHWEET!


    great quality and retains its shape.

    probably the best quality I've ever worn (Sunspel matches up closely.)




    After wearing these my Brooks Brothers Supima boxer briefs feel really cheap.
    They cost the same price too.
     
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    I was going to buy some but the white waistband ruined it do me.

    Did you but their boxer briefs or trunks?
     
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    Boxer Briefs.

    White waistband bothers me too, but what can you do...

    It actually looks good for contrast, but we'll see how to look in the long term.
     
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    looks like all their shit is sold out
     
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    Yeah, wtf? Judging by the review dates, it looks like they've been open for business for about a month or so. I had totally forgotten about Flint & Tinder until I received an email this morning saying their webstore is now open. So they send out a mass email touting the launch of their store... but the launch happened a month ago and now almost everything is sold out. What kind of business is that?:facepalm:

    I'm hoping they restock what I want soon, because I'm eager to try this brand. All of the reviews on the website are glowingly positive, almost to the point that it seems fishy. Then again, maybe Flint and Tinder really did do everything right.
     
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    I was one of the many, many backers of their Kickstarter project.

    The "small" size of their briefs is kind of weird. I'm a 28 in Levis and the F&T briefs are OK at the waist, but lack coverage while also being pretty long.

    I was somewhat irritated about the Kickstarter setup; they originally said it was gonna be 100% pima cotton and that "small" was gonna mean 27-30, but then they switched it to "small" being 29-31 and added 10% spandex or some other stretchy material midway through their setup process.
     
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    PERFECT idea but poor design. They could have been made more attractive . But I think it will work out verry well for F&T
     
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    What would you change personally?


    I thought they did a great job. Well fitting and do not ride up at all. Only thing I would change is their colors. Not very true to what was expected but I'm sure they'll change it in the next run.
    They've just sent out a survey to assess how they did with customer satisfaction.
     
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    Right now when I think of F&T, I think of plain white basic underwear. Although they have some colors, it not the first thing that I think of.
    Maybe this is EXACTLY what they want me to think: Just plain, normal, white and high quality underwear. If that's so, they did a wonderful job!

    You asked what would I change personally? I say everything: I would make them a little bit more flashy with more different patterns. Just more attractive like I said before. I would even change the name. This is because these are my preferences.

    But if you ask what should F&T change? Then I say: Not much! People fell in love with their simplicity and that's their strength now. Maybe they could add some different colors and styles. Like a christmas theme for the holidays for example.

    Flint & Tinder had a perfect idea and it works! .... Just not for me.
     
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    Anyone who's more in the loop--maybe someone who donated to the Kickstarter--have any idea when the out-of-stock combinations are supposed to be available again?

    EDIT: Just sent an email to F&T asking about restocks. Will post here when I receive a reply.
     
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    For anyone interested, I received a polite reply stating that they will be replenished in all styles at the beginning of December.
     
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    Just ordered (2) pairs of trunk briefs and a V-neck.

    Hoping the quality is up to my expectation.

    I like the basic colors available and wouldn't want anything else.
     
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    I have a pair of the trunk briefs, which I got for my kickstarter contribution. I love it. Favorite underwear, hands down. I will be ordering more.
     
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    Trunk briefs and T-shirt arrived.

    I'm 5'8" and the T is super-long (ordered a medium). Definitely a tuck-only shirt. It also has classic-fit blousing above the waist. Fits comfortably in the chest (40) and shoulders, but very baggy from there down; knew I should have ordered a small. Oh well, maybe it will shrink up some after a wash; certainly not a tailored/fitted t-shirt for more casual wear. Fabric has the perfect weight and softness for a white undershirt. Will have to snap a pic tomorrow of fit.

    Underwear ordered a medium, too. I wear a 32 waist pant and have thick thighs. These things fit perfectly. The material definitely has a better weight and feel than the Wal-Mart underwear I'm used to. My underwear typically gets ratty after a few washes, and I was looking for a better quality alternative. Will see how these hold up. The cotton breathes wonderfully; good for fertility I suppose.
     
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    How do these compare to JP and sunspel?
     
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    They are more comfortable then my Sunspel boxers.
    But Boxers fit a bit loose so I can't really compare them.
     
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    Well this is disappointing. Looks like Flint and Tinder eliminated gray from their product line. I was patiently awaiting a restock of gray briefs, which I had been told would happen in early December, but not so anymore. Oh well. Maybe I'll try a pair of blue or white.
     

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