Firearms?

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Edward Appleby, Mar 23, 2006.

  1. Brian SD

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    That is a beautiful item.
     
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    let me tell you this, I have a half smile on my face now, because that is a good question. I honestly have to say that there are some very fantastic pre-industrial or early industrial weapons out there. there are also a hell of a lot of weapons - like the brown bess, like the springfield rifled musket, like the Garand, that have had such an important part of history that they are very deserving collectors items. I am still torn about it. I have gone over this many many times on these boards, and in discussions. I am really of the opinion that we shouldn't glorify weapons. I would like to say that that is a hard fast unchangable rule, but it isn't. if you offered me a english lowgbow arrow head from the 14th century, I would pounce on it, for the historic value. from that, it is easy to reach an M-1 Garand, so it is hard for me to be totally unequivicably tied down to my position. does that make sense?
    Yeah, it does. I sympathize with your sentiments, really. I find the glorification of weapons that occurs with enthusiasts rather disgusting, but I do feel it's important to appreciate the enourmous social, cultural, and historical significance that weapons (even modern ones) possess. True, i've never touched a gun in my life, but I guess you could say that I 'like' them, in some sense of the word. I certainly am interested, and I know we disagree fairly significantly on civilians keeping arms. And while I do agree with you that the mindless fetishizing that is so common in the gun nut community is grotesque, I do not feel that that it is necessary to create a dichotomy between awareness of the horrible potential of weapons and an appreciation of craftsmanship, historical impact, and their significance in the human experience. The dichotomy does not exist in the object; it exists in how we view it.
     
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    I shoot a lot. I don't hunt, however. I don't see the fun in killing wild animals. I would rather take pictures of them.
    The killing isn't the fun part. It isn't necessarily unfun, but it isn't why people hunt. I haven't bought beef in years because our deer harvest is plenty big enough to last us the whole year.

    As for firearms, my philosophy on those is pretty on par with my philosophy on clothes: I don't care too much about brands or makes, but I like to look good, and I like to shoot and hunt. If it gets the job done, it's good enough for me.
     
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    let me tell you this, I have a half smile on my face now, because that is a good question. I honestly have to say that there are some very fantastic pre-industrial or early industrial weapons out there. there are also a hell of a lot of weapons - like the brown bess, like the springfield rifled musket, like the Garand, that have had such an important part of history that they are very deserving collectors items.

    I am still torn about it.

    I have gone over this many many times on these boards, and in discussions. I am really of the opinion that we shouldn't glorify weapons. I would like to say that that is a hard fast unchangable rule, but it isn't. if you offered me a english lowgbow arrow head from the 14th century, I would pounce on it, for the historic value. from that, it is easy to reach an M-1 Garand, so it is hard for me to be totally unequivicably tied down to my position.

    does that make sense?

    I totally see where you're coming from. My interest is largely historical too, hence the milsurp.

    Also, as someone who's been in combat, you probably have a much better perspective than I, who've been neither in the military nor (knock on wood) a real life or death situation.

    That said, there is some part of me that is attracted to weapons for what they are, that wants to be a badass. Maybe this is some sort of immature male Freudian thing, maybe it's socially imprinted. Personally I think the perverse glorification and even love of violence is one of those fundamental ironies, even tragedies, of the human condition. Intellectually, I know that this view of combat is delusional, yet viscerally I can't help but feel it.

    Like so many things, it seems that in this case our biological evolution has yet to catch up with our technological and social development.
     
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    That said, there is some part of me that is attracted to weapons for what they are, that wants to be a badass. Maybe this is some sort of immature male Freudian thing, maybe it's socially imprinted. Personally I think the perverse glorification and even love of violence is one of those fundamental ironies, even tragedies, of the human condition. Intellectually, I know that this view of combat is delusional, yet viscerally I can't help but feel it.

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    I understand what you are saying. very frankly, part of my whole reasoning for this belief is exactly because weapons, and violence, can be so atractive and intoxicating. it is very easy to get drawn in. and so great caution should be taken.
     
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    I don't know Globetrotter... I think this woman has fallen victim to the charms of the AK. Look how she cradles it tightly in her arms, how she is lovingly squeezing the trigger.

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    What do you think about fishing?

    Fishing is for me! I usually practice C&R, but will keep trout (when legal) that are too badly hooked to survive...also on camping trips (again, regs permitting) when there is meal planned around them.

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    LOL, nice j. Hans had the .40 cal version of that weapon. I'd like to add it to my collection one of these days if I win the lottery. By collection, I mean guns, not p7s, I just have one of those.
     
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    LOL, nice j. Hans had the .40 cal version of that weapon. I'd like to add it to my collection one of these days if I win the lottery. By collection, I mean guns, not p7s, I just have one of those.
    I've shot one of those. It has extremely nice balance and is very accurate. Too bad they never made a double-stack version of it.
     
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    Remember "Guns don't kill people, It's the bullets that do"
     
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    Which weapon are you guys talking about? Die Hard was very long time ago. I faintly remember a Beretta 92F and a bunch of Mp-5K.
     
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