Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by tdellaringa, Feb 2, 2016.
I really like them. Style is individual, right?
Those shoes are not stylish.
Here's a jacket I was looking at over at MW site (they didn't have it in store).
To me this seems like a nice jacket at a good price. It's Tommy Hilfiger. So maybe not MW specific, but what is good and bad about this choice? And keep in mind that's about what I have to spend on a jacket right now - if not a bit less.
Okay, explain why. Assume I am taking out the blue laces for brown (I am). I see a very nice cognac wingtip - and yes it has a bit of something different on the back. Is that your objection?
I'd roll the dice on yoox or eBay before resorting to MW and that sport coat in particular. Grey sport coats are difficult to pair with trousers, the lapels are too thin, and the shoulders look heavily padded.
Also, check the Allen Edmonds shoebank website. They occasionally have 2nds for $100, and you can usually find a decent selection at $150.
You're right, the shoulders do look too padded.
My problem with eBay is that it IS a gamble, and I cannot afford to gamble with my money. Fit is the most important thing, and I can't try it on. In the store I tried jackets on from 39S to 40R that fit, depending on the jacket. Even ones that "fit" needed work. Same thing with buying online with Yoox.
The jacket I REALLY want is something like this:
I have a stylist there, and I have ordered my first shirt. But it would take me some time to save what will end up being $600.
Your first jacket needs to be dark blue. And you need to actually try on a bunch of them in real life to be sure it fits as perfectly as possible.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the jacket you linked to. But it's not a priority for you given your budget and location.
Your first pair of shoes should be black. Your second pair should be dark brown. Not light brown, and no gimmicky fashiony nonsense like contrasting heels.
You're not a 25 year old aiming for the Streetwear and Denim crowd. You're a 50 year old mature man who is trying to dress classically stylish. And we want to help you get there.
By the way, what's the context for these clothes? Will you be wearing them for work? Socializing? Both?
I strongly suggest you get a pair of Allen Edmonds. Cut price from the shoe bank will keep it in budget. Cheap shoes will get thrown away in a year and you'll have to replace them. Not stylish or economical.
Your essential wardrobe:
I probably should have given context first, not sure I did. I work at a large insurance company in a management position. The dress there is very business casual. Lots of loafers, untucked shirts, jeans, button down shirts, khakis, etc - even among managers depending on the person. I am in the UX/Design group. I also plan on wearing this stuff in social settings - meeting with friends, etc.
Black is overly dress IMO. I also don't like black. Not many of even the senior leadership wears black. Brown is more than sufficient. I can tell that even in my inexpertness, dressing up has been noticed and complimented - a lot. I'm doing something at least half right.
My God those 2nd pair of shoes are ugly to me. They might be nice and even stylish, but I would never wear those. And I may be 50, but I am not going to dress like an old man - and I don't look like one either. Those look like a pair of shoes a grandpa would wear. The first ones are very nice.
Here is my first pair of shoes I have been wearing.
(They are in need of a polish, that is on my list for today.)
I get that the contrasting blue on the shoes I bought is outside the "classic" circle. I'm okay with that. Isn't some style meant to be personal? Also, my wife absolutely loves them, and that counts for something I'm okay with trying some different things. The stuff I have been reading says know the rules then break them here and there. I knew these were a bit on the edge when I bought them.
I'm not sure what to do about the jacket at this point. I looked a lot on Zoos - they have a lot of crap. I just cannot see ordering a jacket online without trying it on. I tried on a bunch yesterday and a couple days ago. Carson Pirie Scott does have this one:
Not sure if the store has that exact one by me or not.
Appreciate the help (hope my differing opinion on the shoes isn't ruffling feathers.)
In fairness, perhaps you are undervaluing clothing and maybe it should be prioritized a little more? We have been spoiled for years with mass manufactured and often unethically made clothing with an emphasis on $ value. Clothing used to be a lot more expensive but people valued it more as well, perhaps as they do now a home, car or watch.
Its interesting that Savile Row had a large middle class customer base at one point and the interesting thing was that a Savile Row suit was always usually a months wages for a lower middle class man, thats quite a lot to spend and I am sure they didn't do it every other month but those people valued those clothes.
Now if you say you just flat out can't pay for nicer clothes, well I think you just have to sacrifice or cut your cloth according to your means.
yep those shoes are ugly.....
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