I bought these as New In Box on eBay. They have no indication of being seconds. They have only been tried on indoors and are unfortunately too small for me. These would fit someone who wears 8D US size. They could fit 8.5D feet you have narrow feet. 11/04 UPDATE: 2 minutes with a horsehair brush has made the minor scratch barely noticeable. New pics are up on my ebay listing: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Ralph-Lauren...783022?hash=item4d3ae847ae:g:y78AAOSwI-BWO7VP There is a small scratch as shown in photos. I haven't tried to use product on it or brush it out. Shell Cordovan is very resilient and I wasn't bothered by it when I got them, especially at this price. It will probably come out by wiping with a damp cloth and brushing with a horse hair brush. If you own a deerbone, even better, although I've had great results just rubbing the scratch with a spoon. These now retail for $995 and are never eligible for promo's/sales. Asking $600 $540 $525 plus free shipping to U.S. and Canada. Ralph Lauren shoe bags and original box included. Thanks.