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Filson Bag Thread: With Pictures

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by LawrenceMD, Aug 14, 2009.

  1. OtterMeanGreen

    OtterMeanGreen Distinguished Member

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    Having said all that now I will make this my #1001 posting.............HAHA

    The first edition Filson's featured SOLID BRASS (not plated), which can be shown in Exhibit A. If you can show me a Plated Brass Filson that can do this I will fully concede. I mentioned @Soletrane because he has a first edition small duffel that does not feature this type of brass (which may be because it's plated). Underneath it you will see a Solid Brass Zippo that features a similar tarnishing effect.

    Are you stating that Tin Cloth (dry or oiled) or shelter cloth isn't less costly that 22oz twill? That was my only point I was trying to make, that it is in fact cheaper in price and long-term quality/durability. Both of these points are not my opinion but are facts. Solid Brass patina's into a green tarnish (as dipicted on my #257) and dry tin cloth (which if that is what the interior dividers are now made of that I am wrong to say Shelter cloth) is indeed cheaper than 22oz twill. I have owned both variants of the same bag; the #257 and the #70257 and can state as FACT, that the interior dividers are of a lighter weight (therefore cheaper) made fabric, and not of the 22oz. Hope that settles things.


    Exhibit A:

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    Pulled the trigger on the 50% off navy 257 and a small travel kit.
     


  4. TinMan3

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    @OtterMeanGreen I so appreciate your passion for the Talon Era, and I am not an expert, so I will leave this whole thing with 2 final thoughts:

    1. Plated brass can oxidize as seen in the above picture as long as it is truly brass plating. You could be right, I just don't think it compares to my weatherproof straps hardware (Which was made in 2016 mind you :)), but I came to that conclusion on my own, as others should too.

    2. Heavier material does not necessarily correlate with more expensive. I happen to think that their oiled tin cloth is extremely pricey to manufacture. Your conclusion is reasonable, but not iron clad. This conclusion also disregards any other possible motivations that the folks at Filson may have had for changing the weights.

    Finally, 1000 is an impressive feat. Keep up the good work ;)
     


  5. OtterMeanGreen

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    Last edited: Jan 16, 2018 at 8:16 PM


  6. OtterMeanGreen

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    Thanks! Some interesting things to consider and will try to contain myself. I would like to see a plated brass Filson from later years feature that same tarnished green patina. I’ve searched myself before posting but couldn’t find one like it. @Toombs has first edition filsons that feature the same green patina, so I know I’m not in the minority here.

    Also I’m not going to argue that Filson doesn’t use plated brass hardware, as I have been quite the agitator on that front (the Thorn in Filson side so to speak). Even provided proof of a member on here proving to Filson that their “then current” claims of solid brass aren’t true (To which the CS rep concurred).

    Can anyone else back up the claims that dry tin cloth is either cheaper or more expensive than that of 22 ounce twill? Genuinely curious myself
     


  7. TinMan3

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    I have a 2008 strap that has some tarnish on it, so I guess the question is when would the switch have been made. I can post a pic if you would like. It is nothing as dramatic as the picture you posted, but you can see it beginning to turn.
     


  8. OtterMeanGreen

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    Would like to see it. Although 2008 is still pre-bedrock which wouldn’t do much of proving against my point of a drastic decline in quality after the transition, when Bedrock either was revising bags, material or discontinuing models all together. If pre-bedrock offered solid brass once before (during the fruition of the rugged twill line) then it wouldn’t surprise me of them offering it once more. Just look at modern day Filson and the choice to offer pad-less shoulder straps on their new Sportsman. That was clearly a nod to the First Edition Filson’s and the old customer base
     


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    I think mine was repaired by the same person. It didn't have any huge holes, so I expected patches. Instead, they replaced entire panels (the one going around the outside, as well as the back pocket). Really rather disappointing. In retrospect, I suppose it is true that you're giving them carte blanche when sending something in for repair. But if I'd known this was going to happen, I wouldn't have sent it in at all.

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    I just did a quick side by side between my very early 256 and my recent 257. The leather difference that I see is in the actual handle leather. The handle on the 256 is suede like on the back, where as the new leather is a bit rougher. The odd thing is that the four leather handle supporters are pretty much the same on both of them. I actually think that the latter handle is made from similar leather to those supports. The two main dividers are of exactly the same thickness of twill. I measured it. other divider in the 257 is of a thinner cloth, perhaps shelter. The stitching and overall quality is pretty much the same. I will take pictures tomorrow and post them. I would like to see a picture of a later bag without the twill divider.
     


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