Fighters?

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  1. Tokyo Slim

    Tokyo Slim In Time Out

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    Oh, and Tokyo, I also fight dirty. In fact, a lot of Shaolin longfist forms are kind of dirty fighting. There is one form where essentially, you simulate grabbing a mans nutsack, twisting, and slamming the back of your strong hand into it. Never tried that in real life. But I would.

    Oh... I don't fight dirty like that. I'll pretend to punch someone in the face, then when they instinctively weave backwards, I grab their throat and crush their larynx. If they try a forearm parry instead of a weave, I'll pivot and smash my dominant foot into their exposed kidney. Then I crush their larynx.
     


  2. LA Guy

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    Oh... I don't fight dirty like that. I'll pretend to punch someone in the face, then when they instinctively weave backwards, I grab their throat and crush their larynx. If they try a forearm parry instead of a weave, I'll pivot and smash my dominant foot into their exposed kidney. Then I crush their larynx.

    Hmmm, interesting. My reaction (bourne out in real fights) is just to punch either over the arm if it comes in as a jab or cross, under the arm if it is a wild swing or a hook (more usually the case). I usually come in down and close because I am pretty comfortable on the inside and like to use my forearm and elbows to compensate for my (usually) smaller size.
     


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    I really want to get back into it, but not sure what I will do. Im getting fat and lazy, but having had an operation about 6 weeks ago, with a wound that is still occassionally a little bit tender, it will probably be at least another month before I can take on any exercise.
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  4. Tokyo Slim

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    Hmmm, interesting. My reaction (bourne out in real fights) is just to punch either over the arm if it comes in as a jab or cross, under the arm if it is a wild swing or a hook (more usually the case). I usually come in down and close because I am pretty comfortable on the inside and like to use my forearm and elbows to compensate for my (usually) smaller size.

    Of course you realize that I was jesting, i would never give away my fighting style or strategy online to a bunch of strangers. Just something to think about.

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    Of course you realize that I was jesting, i would never give away my fighting style or strategy online to a bunch of strangers. Just something to think about.

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    I can give away my strategy. It's like the Crane Style: Done correctly, no can defense."
     


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    I can give away my strategy. It's like the Crane Style: Done correctly, no can defense."
    IIRC, the Crane Style was solved in Karate Kid 2. Apparently only works on white dudes. [​IMG]
     


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    Anyone have an opinion on the best style for streetfighting? In other words, defending oneself on the street.

    I think Brazilion Jiu Jitsu might be the best to subdue another person but then again, Muay Thai sounds pretty good.

    I have been thinking about starting one of those, mainly for self defense but not sure which.

    I am leaning towards Jiu Jitsu as a couple friends who are proficient in Muay Thai said they stopped because of being injured all of the time.
     


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    Anyone have an opinion on the best style for streetfighting? In other words, defending oneself on the street.

    I think Brazilion Jiu Jitsu might be the best to subdue another person but then again, Muay Thai sounds pretty good.

    I have been thinking about starting one of those, mainly for self defense but not sure which.

    I am leaning towards Jiu Jitsu as a couple friends who are proficient in Muay Thai said they stopped because of being injured all of the time.


    I would say Kenpo Karate, in a school with a really good teacher and where the students are really serious. There are locks and breaks and some chokes, but also lots of very effective striking, which are pretty important. You don't really want to go to the ground a lot in a non-tournament situation. A street form of Wing Chun is also a pretty decent place to go, but a little more limited in some ways. Both are pretty "street" oriented. Ultimately, it depends on your physique, what you feel most comfortable, and a good teacher. IME, streetfights can be really unpredictable though. I would suggest walking away as the best first course of action.

    And Ambulance, that was just an analogy for Tokyo's benefit, just in case he gets any ideas. I can alway bring out the patented drum technique.
     


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    Out of curiosity, what do you find limited in Wing Chun?
     


  11. LA Guy

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    Out of curiosity, what do you find limited in Wing Chun?

    There is not as much latitude for a variety of body types and personalities. For example, a really tall guy with incredible reach is just not going to get as much out of it, nor is a guy who is not so fast but has great windup and is a natural power puncher. It is great for guys and girls who are quick and have good reaction time, and because it was a style created with a specific purpose and practitioner in mind. Jeet Kun Do, Bruce Lee's style, was essentially Wing Chun, mixed with western elements like boxing. And what was Bruce Lee: fast and small.

    BTW, there are lots of forms of Jiujitsu. BJJ just happens to be the most popular, and has been proven ery effective in certain situations. However, I would look around and try to access your skills (Ninja skills, Numchuck skills, bowhunting skills) and natural abilities before choosing a style.
     


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    Anyone have an opinion on the best style for streetfighting? In other words, defending oneself on the street.

    I think Brazilion Jiu Jitsu might be the best to subdue another person but then again, Muay Thai sounds pretty good.

    I have been thinking about starting one of those, mainly for self defense but not sure which.

    I am leaning towards Jiu Jitsu as a couple friends who are proficient in Muay Thai said they stopped because of being injured all of the time.



    if all you are intersted in is defending yourself on the street - I would find a krav maga school. no offense to all other styles - but what krav was developed to do is train somebody is relativly good shape to fight in about 100 hours of instruction. good, affiliated krav schools mix in several other styles - frankly real krav just doens't have the depth to have years worth of material, so your average krav school will have a half dozen krav instructors, whoe between them will have backgrounds in a dozen more traditional styles. they do grappling, striking, and a wide variety of dirty tricks. also, you will have contact from the begining. a lot of schools are so concerned with liability issues that they will teach you for a while without you ever getting involved in actually hitting or being hit.

    just for clarification - if you are willing to invest 2-3 sessions a week for several years, and/or want an art and a dicipline, there are better systems out there. if you want to be able to knock a drunk guy 30 pounds heavier than you down and get away, with the quickest possible prep time, krav is probrably the way to go.


    I did tae kwan do and an okinawan style for years as a kid, and then krav for a very short time - 20 years later, I am much more comfortable with my ability to use krav to solve disputes. I work out in a long fist dojo (and really no offense to the style, it really is an issue with the dojo) but there isn't a blackbelt in the place, aside from 2 or 3 of the instructors and the owner, who I can't knock on their ass in sparing - and that is a controled enviroment. and I am a fat, short old man.
     


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    I work out in a long fist dojo (and really no offense to the style, it really is an issue with the dojo) but there isn't a blackbelt in the place, aside from 2 or 3 of the instructors and the owner, who I can't knock on their ass in sparing - and that is a controled enviroment. and I am a fat, short old man.

    Gotta agree with the Krav Maga, in theory. I have no personal experience. As for the problem with your dojo now, I sympathize. My stepson has been in the school for all of about 12 lessons, and he is ready to test? WTF? Most of the upper level belts do not impress me either, unless they train particularly lazily. They say that the usual progression to black belt is 5-6 years, which, in my mind, is ridiculous. Maybe that can happen if you are natural super tough, have former experience, and train like a mofo (at least 5 times a week). It's a Taekwando school, and I've seen black belts with trouble drop spinning back kicks. I haven't trained in 3 years and can still pull one off decently.

    Zach,

    When I learned long fist, I spent the first month in low horse stance, and whenever we (the beginners) weakened or shifted weight, the instructor (Sifu) would sweep our legs from under us and insult us. His favorite was "You weak like lamb. Fight like grandma" and then make mewling noises and mock out punching style. The second month or so, we learned to walk properly, and then basic punches and kicks. The guy was a real fan of punches in bunches. One exercise was to punch, in horse or front stance, as fast and strong as possible. Another was to punch a piece of solid oak, and then later, a steel plate. Knife handing and side and roundhouse kicking two-by-fours was pretty common too. The point was to toughen up the hands and legs for real fights. Half contact sparring was the norm. So yeah, definitely the dojo you are at.

    Of course, the instructor was an old school guy from the Hong Kong tradition, and at about 65 years old then, could still do one finger pushups. His favorite form of humiliation was to tell us to make our most stabil stance, and then push us around the room (concrete, btw, and all the sparring was matless) with his index finger.

    There were no ranks. Everyone knew who could kick whose' ass.
     


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