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Ferrari 458 photos unveiled

Discussion in 'Fine Living, Home, Design & Auto' started by Connemara, Jul 28, 2009.

  1. epb

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    A black 458 instead of a red one? I think the physics of the car's performance envelope pretty much dictate what the car has to look like. You could probably tone down a curve here and there, and maybe it could be a little quieter, but that car looks like it does because it has to.

    I think that's more Porsche than Ferrari, which is why Porsches look good, but none are really beautiful - they engineer the car and just sketch a few lines around the result and don't seem to care much what it looks like; only the 928 designed by Tony Lapine has any style.

    Ferrari gives the design houses a much freer hand.
     
  2. Cool The Kid

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    I think that's more Porsche than Ferrari, which is why Porsches look good, but none are really beautiful - they engineer the car and just sketch a few lines around the result and don't seem to care much what it looks like; only the 928 designed by Tony Lapine has any style.

    Ferrari gives the design houses a much freer hand.

    Porsches are styled how they are because they are afraid that if they deviate from the bugeyed stylings of the original people won't buy them. Their designs are very compromised for marketing purposes. The 458 OTOH is less compromised and def more purpose driven in design.
     
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    Porsches are styled how they are because they are afraid that if they deviate from the bugeyed stylings of the original people won't buy them. Their designs are very compromised for marketing purposes.

    The 458 OTOH is less compromised and def more purpose driven in design.


    I would agree and disagree with this. Some aspects of Porsche design, like the rear-engine config and their over-long adherence to air-cooled engines, are detrimental to their cars' performance. On the other hand, they do keep very good continuity with the look of their cars, and they are immediately identifiable.

    But I also have to admire them for pouring as much effort and money into antiquated designs and making them some of the fastest and most competitive cars in the business. Often, the way to success is to just chip a way a little bit at a time, and do it for 50 years. Intel did it with the x86/Pentium/Core, GM with their small-block V8s, and Porsche's done it with their 911.

    --Andre
     
  4. Cool The Kid

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    I suppose a bit of it is adherence to heritage, and it is definitely cool to see how far they have taken the RR platform. But the fact that for example the Cayman S tied lap times with the Carrera 2S in C&D's latest Lightning Lap, despite a 60-70HP deficit, speaks volumes. That the 911 & not the Boxster/Cayman platform is top dog kind of doesn't make sense to me.... But in no way am I trying to slight Porsche's accomplishments; I am just a little [​IMG] about their model hierarchy
     
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    I suppose a bit of it is adherence to heritage, and it is definitely cool to see how far they have taken the RR platform. But the fact that for example the Cayman S tied lap times with the Carrera 2S in C&D's latest Lightning Lap, despite a 60-70HP deficit, speaks volumes. That the 911 & not the Boxster/Cayman platform is top dog kind of doesn't make sense to me.... But in no way am I trying to slight Porsche's accomplishments; I am just a little [​IMG] about their model hierarchy
    Didn't you note that the two little rear 'seats' on the 911 cost $29,000 to make... for realz.
     
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    The 458 Challenge at Ferrari's driving school in Italy. Looks great lower and on real rubber.

    [​IMG]


    that car is stunning, takes your breath away
     
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    Porsche is stuck with the 911 period. But in the last 10 years they have been adding to their lineup dramatically so its not a one model lineup. After they dropped the 928 (big mistake) it was a 911 or nothing for a while.

    They have tried to free up design a bit with the Carrera GT and the new 918 Spyder. But now they're really talking because they might bring back the 928 which will basically be a two door version of the Panamera.

    But lets face it the new 458 is hot.
     
  8. SpooPoker

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    Off topic of the 458, but I didnt want to start a new thread.

    I drove the 599 California today. It is a fucking rocket ship. The most amazing sensory experience I have had. Translation = I came a little.
     
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    The 458 Challenge at Ferrari's driving school in Italy. Looks great lower and on real rubber. [​IMG]
    The 458 is absolutely gorgeous. It was done a bit of a disservice early on with some bad pics from bad angles that made it look a bit awkward, but as Jeremy Clarkson said, it's the first properly pretty Ferrari in a long time. The fact that's it's so flawless technically is a bonus. I just about cream my pants every time I look at it, and in the past i've been more of a Lambo fan.
     
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    The 458 is absolutely gorgeous. The fact that's it's so flawless technically is a bonus.

    [​IMG]
     
  11. GQgeek

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    [​IMG]

    lol. It's been fixed though.
     
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    Off topic of the 458, but I didnt want to start a new thread. I drove the 599 California today. It is a fucking rocket ship. The most amazing sensory experience I have had. Translation = I came a little.
    What is a 599 California? Boy, I bet that thing is fast. [​IMG]
     
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    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    What is a 599 California? Boy, I bet that thing is fast. [​IMG]

    Its a 599 as a hardtop convertible. It was fucking insane. Theres a launch button (seriously) that you use if you plan on nailing it off the line. I cannot imagine taking off in a NASA spaceship feeling any less exciting. Just wow.
     
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    Its a 599 as a hardtop convertible. It was fucking insane. Theres a launch button (seriously) that you use if you plan on nailing it off the line. I cannot imagine taking off in a NASA spaceship feeling any less exciting. Just wow.

    There is no such car. It is just called a California. It has nothing to do with the 599.
     
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    There is no such car. It is just called a California. It has nothing to do with the 599.

    You are right. My bad. Still insane though.
     
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    they took delivery of the 458 Challenge at Ferrari of Manhattan today. Holy crap, you'd easily hear it just idle blocks away.
     
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    they took delivery of the 458 Challenge at Ferrari of Manhattan today. Holy crap, you'd easily hear it just idle blocks away.

    The sound of some of these cars is awesome. Was walking back from st. lawrence market today and a sky blue lambo gallardo roared by. Wasn't a huge fan of the color but what a beast.
     
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    Ferrari V8s are pretty unique in their sound. AFAIK, they're the only flat-plane V8s in mass production (such as it is). Almost every other street V8 is a cross-plane, which makes most V8s have that classic burble. Flat cranks have a more screamy character.

    --Andre
     
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