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Fake or Real (Authentic, Genuine, etc.) -- Official Authentication Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ebmk3891, Nov 10, 2010.

  1. HRoi

    HRoi Senior member

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    I just bought a Kiton Jeans, how can I know thats authentic?

    Athere are a few things about the jeans that an inattentive or low-budget counterfeiter might not do - -

    first, they should almost always (always?) be button-fly, and the buttons are these substantial things on a ball pivot that look like they would be expensive to make/counterfeit.

    second, the rivets all have the Kiton logo on it

    third, the jeans should all be selvedge

    btw, they also have these very light "jeans" that are cut like jeans but aren't made of denim - they are made of cotton that looks like polyester and are always in horrible bright tacky colors. believe it or not, those are authentic as well. but still terrible.
     


  2. rcc1

    rcc1 Active Member

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    Yes, that's why i'm suspecious about it. It's VERY soft and light, like no other jeans I seen in my life. But for a Kiton is normal right? Thank you
     


  3. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    Many denim products have that kind of button now, especially jackets.


    That's very easily done. How many million Kiton logo rivets do you want made?


    There's hundreds/thousands of denim apparel factories in China that'll do you selvedge if you want. All listed on Global Sources, Alibaba and Made-in-China.


    I've noticed that many counterfeits can actually be rather high quality. It's not just the rubbish misspelled dreck any more. There's a reason for that, because many of the sweat shops making apparel for Kiton, Gucci, Armani, Evisu, Levi, etc. are also making the fakes.
     
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  4. rcc1

    rcc1 Active Member

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    Do you think my Kiton (picture in previous page) is fake or not? Thank you
     


  5. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    It could be very difficult, maybe impossible to tell a real from fake. Although I've never handled a real pair of Kiton jeans. I don't know what the denim feels like. The hardware and construction certainly looks OK from the pictures, it's not shoddy.

    As I posted previously, many fakes are coming from the same factories/sweat shops that make the real ones. Unauthorised second-shift production, or seconds or rejects that the factories sell out the backdoor. Probably the only way to be sure you're getting the real-mccoy, is if you buy them from an authorised Kiton store or concession.
     
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  6. rcc1

    rcc1 Active Member

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    Im going to a Kiton store to ask them about it.
     


  7. Lumaca

    Lumaca Active Member

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    Is it "fake" if it is made in the same factory with the same material?
     


  8. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    Not necessarily, unauthorised second-shift production may use inferior, cheaper materials. The quality of the denim could be an indicator. However there's any number of factories that will make you good quality Kiton(or whatever brand you want) rivets and tack-buttons.

    There's a very fascinating and informative book called The Economics of Counterfeit Trade: Governments, Consumers, Pirates and Intellectual Property Rights, it's on Google Books and Amazon. Plus I know a few people who work in the contract apparel industry, they're ex-students of mine.
     
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    Sorry Levi top looks fake to me.

    Free size, never heard of a free size.
     
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    This has been going on for years. I've known people who pay $2k and up for a hermes birkin. Compared to the real thing, couldn't see any differences fwiw, but the buyer clearly knows the item is fake
     


  11. bond0007

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    How to tell an Authentic Brioni suit?
    What are the pointers for authenticating a Brioni suit? Stitching, collar, labels?

    thanks
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  12. bond0007

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    some more pics. excuse the dust and lint, my cat's fur got all over it
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  13. jefferyd

    jefferyd Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Thanks for your input. It does look good to me as well, I've compared it to several other suits and all the fine details seem to be there. Now the only problem is the pants are kinda small, I'm hoping my tailor can get another 2"+ out from the reserve. I really need to lose some weight.
     
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  15. rob

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    Well, I have a less scientific but nonetheless reliable method. It only takes a few easy steps:

    1. Put said suit on.
    2. Head out to the nearest nightclub.
    3. Have a drink or two.
    4. When the club is rocking, hit the head.
    5. After hitting the head, move to the sink.
    6. Look in the mirror.
    7. Look to your left.
    8. Now right.
    9. If you have the strong sense of being able to kick the ass of anyone who happens to be standing next to you, you are indeed wearing Brioni.

    Rob
     


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