Explain Paul Stuart-Grenson-Italian?

[kennethpollock]

One of the pictures does say "made in Italy." I just don't get it. Could it be that only that piece of leather is "made in Italy."
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

 

[dah328]

Replacement sole?

 

[sho'nuff]

aah, the dreaded vero cuoio consortium.
these grensons either outsourced their solings to this powerful european corporation or were refurbished by a cobbler who uses soles from this powerful european corporation

 

[EL72]

Originally Posted by diorshoe

aah, the dreaded vero cuoio consortium.
these grensons either outsourced their solings to this powerful european corporation or were refurbished by a cobbler who uses soles from this powerful european corporation

It's not a "powerful European corporation", it's a designation used by a consortium of Italian manufacturers. There is no single firm who owns the trademark for the Vero Cuoio designation.

 

[sho'nuff]

i know it is not a powerful company, but a group of sole manufacturers. i was just plainly being facetious about it.

 

[savage_here]

Maybe I'm being thick and you guys are just playing around. But, doesn't vero cuoio just mean "genuine leather"?

 

[sho'nuff]

Originally Posted by savage_here

Maybe I'm being thick and you guys are just playing around. But, doesn't vero cuoio just mean "genuine leather"?


i invite you to look at www.verocuoio.it

shoes that have this stamp on the sole or insole means they have copped out at outsourcing a cheaper leather sole for savings.

brand names that copped out:
gucci
prada
armani
hugo boss
certain paul stuart
and surprisingly certain santoni. most notably the santoni fam

 

[Britalian]

also of interest maybe:

http://verapelle.it/en/

(some of the translated Italian is amusing, Borat-like...)

 

[savage_here]

Thanks for that info. I was just confused b/c I have numerous leather goods other than shoes that have the Vero Cuoio designation stamped on them. I now see that what we are really talking about is the Vero Cuoio stamp along with the associated tm markings that designate this consortium for sole leathers.

Interesting.

 

[SGladwell]

Originally Posted by diorshoe

i invite you to look at www.verocuoio.it

shoes that have this stamp on the sole or insole means they have copped out at outsourcing a cheaper leather sole for savings.

Cheaper leather or not, the "verio cuoio" soles on my Helmut Lang chelsea boots have served admirably. Better, dare I say, than the soles on my RLPL EG's...

 

[gdl203]

There seems to be a misunderstanding here:
- "Vero cuoio" simply means "genuine leather" - it is not a trademark

- there is a consortium of tanneries called "Vero Cuoio Italiano" which uses its own trademark logo (see below - it is a very specific logo, not simply the cowhide shape used universally to indicate leather, as seen above on the auction pic)

- there are other professional associations (including the vegetable-tanned leather one linked to above).

In a word, there are no conclusions on quality that can be drawn from a simple "vero cuoio" stamp on Italian-made shoes. It is not an indication of provenance from a specific tannery, it just means it's leather

 

[itsstillmatt]

I might be mistaken, but I believe that Italian sole leather is not of the highest quality.

 

[LabelKing]

Originally Posted by iammatt

I might be mistaken, but I believe that Italian sole leather is not of the highest quality.
I think the Germans hold that position.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Originally Posted by LabelKing

I think the Germans hold that position.
So do I.

 

[Swann]

Originally Posted by LabelKing

I think the Germans hold that position.


http://www.lederfabrik-rendenbach.de/index_gb.html