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Explain Paul Stuart-Grenson-Italian?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kennethpollock, Oct 7, 2006.

  1. kennethpollock

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    Replacement sole?
     


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    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    aah, the dreaded vero cuoio consortium.
    these grensons either outsourced their solings to this powerful european corporation or were refurbished by a cobbler who uses soles from this powerful european corporation
     


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    aah, the dreaded vero cuoio consortium.
    these grensons either outsourced their solings to this powerful european corporation or were refurbished by a cobbler who uses soles from this powerful european corporation


    It's not a "powerful European corporation", it's a designation used by a consortium of Italian manufacturers. There is no single firm who owns the trademark for the Vero Cuoio designation.
     


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    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    i know it is not a powerful company, but a group of sole manufacturers. i was just plainly being facetious about it. [​IMG]
     


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    Maybe I'm being thick and you guys are just playing around. But, doesn't vero cuoio just mean "genuine leather"?
     


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    sho'nuff grrrrrrrr!!

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    Maybe I'm being thick and you guys are just playing around. But, doesn't vero cuoio just mean "genuine leather"?


    i invite you to look at www.verocuoio.it

    shoes that have this stamp on the sole or insole means they have copped out at outsourcing a cheaper leather sole for savings.

    brand names that copped out:
    gucci
    prada
    armani
    hugo boss
    certain paul stuart
    and surprisingly certain santoni. most notably the santoni fam
     


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    Thanks for that info. I was just confused b/c I have numerous leather goods other than shoes that have the Vero Cuoio designation stamped on them. I now see that what we are really talking about is the Vero Cuoio stamp along with the associated tm markings that designate this consortium for sole leathers.

    Interesting.
     


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    i invite you to look at www.verocuoio.it

    shoes that have this stamp on the sole or insole means they have copped out at outsourcing a cheaper leather sole for savings.


    Cheaper leather or not, the "verio cuoio" soles on my Helmut Lang chelsea boots have served admirably. Better, dare I say, than the soles on my RLPL EG's...
     


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    There seems to be a misunderstanding here:
    - "Vero cuoio" simply means "genuine leather" - it is not a trademark
    [​IMG]
    - there is a consortium of tanneries called "Vero Cuoio Italiano" which uses its own trademark logo (see below - it is a very specific logo, not simply the cowhide shape used universally to indicate leather, as seen above on the auction pic)
    [​IMG]
    - there are other professional associations (including the vegetable-tanned leather one linked to above).

    In a word, there are no conclusions on quality that can be drawn from a simple "vero cuoio" stamp on Italian-made shoes. It is not an indication of provenance from a specific tannery, it just means it's leather
     


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    I might be mistaken, but I believe that Italian sole leather is not of the highest quality.
     


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    I might be mistaken, but I believe that Italian sole leather is not of the highest quality.
    I think the Germans hold that position.
     


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    I think the Germans hold that position.
    So do I.
     


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