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Originally Posted by teddieriley
Please don't tell me your white (dumb)ass just used the term "Oriental" to describe people of Asian descent.

Also, Dude, ******** is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.
 

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Originally Posted by teddieriley
Please don't tell me your white (dumb)ass just used the term "Oriental" to describe people of Asian descent.

^^ Huh? More than one thing wrong in your post teddie.

Eastern Russia is in Asia. Are people of Eastern Russian descent referred to as Asians?

Turkey is in Asia. Are people of Turkish descent referred to as Asians?

See where I'm going with this? People from the area traditionally considered the Orient are from a specific part of Asia. The term is correct to describe the area in question, in that it is not overbroad like the above examples.

I refuse to assign a pejorative meaning to "oriental", because it happens to be correct. Believe me, I saw those idiots at my college who wanted their own "word". (Edit: to explain what I mean, they went around protesting with signs saying "Oriental is for rugs, not for people"). Anything to play the victim, I suppose.

Sorry for the angry hijack, I am happy to discuss via PM to avoid cluttering this thread. I guess I'm still stewing over Dan T winning the 2009 contest.
 

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I don't use the word Oriental, but just out of habit, not out of protest. I also don't see where the negative connotation actually comes from. It's not exactly the n-word. It's simply a geographical denomination.
 

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No discussion needed, but it is inconsequential whether YOU assign a pejorative meaning.

Would your use of the term *****r without any personal ill will make its use any more appropriate?

Edit: There is the whole idea about a colonial mentality behind it that is beyond this thread and my care to discuss any further.
 

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I believe East-Asian or SE Asian would be the proper term. My sister in law is Thai, thats what she says anyway...just don't call her Chinese.
 

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Originally Posted by teddieriley
No discussion needed, but it is inconsequential whether YOU assign a pejorative meaning.

Would your use of the term *****r without any personal ill will make its use any more appropriate?

Edit: There is the whole idea about a colonial mentality behind it that is beyond this thread and my care to discuss any further.


Son you are stepping over the line.
 

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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo
Son you are stepping over the line.

Apparently I'm not a pioneer. You crossed the line long ago.
 

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Originally Posted by Mr. Moo
With?

<Moo Post History inserted here.>

And if you're referring to me flat out typing "*****r" in it's entirety, rather than saying "the n-word," grow up. I was making a point.
 

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&quot;Oriental&quot; is properly used to describe inanimate objects (art, furniture, rugs, etc.). &quot;Asian&quot; is the adjective used to describe people.
 

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Originally Posted by ld111134
"Oriental" is properly used to describe inanimate objects (art, furniture, rugs, etc.). "Asian" is the adjective used to describe people.

This is in American language style. In Europe and Asia, "oriental" is fine to use.
 

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Originally Posted by teddieriley
No discussion needed, but it is inconsequential whether YOU assign a pejorative meaning.

Would your use of the term *****r without any personal ill will make its use any more appropriate?


This is marsupialed reasoning. The n-word is clearly something that started as a racial slur.

The term Oriental is the opposite of Occidental. A more apt comparison would be calling Southerners Southerners. No one seems to get uppity about that.
 

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Originally Posted by MetroStyles
This is marsupialed reasoning. The n-word is clearly something that started as a racial slur.

The term Oriental is the opposite of Occidental. A more apt comparison would be calling Southerners Southerners. No one seems to get uppity about that.


Then you are unaware of the history of the term when it wasn't used solely to identify people from the "East." It was used pejoratively and racially. You saying the opposite does not negate the historical context.
 

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