Epaulet x Carmina MTO

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  1. mymil

    mymil Senior member

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    this is the color of shell cordovan you guys should order....Carmina's from Horween's blog:
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    I tried to order the Carminas pictured on the Horween blog by specifying "cognac" in my order, and these are what arrived:

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    Obviously a very different shade than either of the above. I emailed with them about it, and they describe this color as "light cognac" or "brandy," almost more of a saddle tan. So be very careful when selecting a color from them, to ensure you're actually getting the one you want!

    My boots (model 80184)seem to be on the Oscar last, as far as I can tell from the box, by the way. But I can't compare it to their others.

    I was actually looking for a brown bal boot with Dainite soles, when I settled on these as the best alternative. So you guys are making me jealous! [​IMG]

    If I can make a minor suggestion for everybody to mull over, I really like the notch detail where the lacing switches from eyelets to speed lugs. Which are a classic component of bal boots, so I don't really understand the resistance... I wouldn't want to lace a bal boot without them!
     


  2. Akeem

    Akeem Senior member

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    Definitely the "ravello-ish" cognac would be my preference. Can I suggest shortening the height by 2-3 eyelets like the boot pictured so that lacing won't be such an issue?

    Do we have price estimates for these mto?
     


  3. makewayhomer

    makewayhomer Senior member

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    dark cognac is brown. it's the color that AE uses on their brown shell shoes, and to my eye/others this is the exact same color C&J uses for their RL shoes. that's exactly what Horween calls it: "dark cognac"

    I would guess their "brown" is what Alden & Vass call cigar.

    then they have "sadle" which must be what other makers call Saddle.

    then they have burgundy and black.

    I have no idea what chestnut is but it looks very similar to Dark Cognac, maybe it's just Dark Cognac with some finishing, like Alden does with #8 to make it purpler than anyone else.

    dark red is likely either #4 or #6 (or very similar to those)

    to me it looks like these are simply saddle

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    honestly it's really hard to tell from pictures b/c as we all know it can be hard to capture the true color of shell; and even then there are variations within the same color. I have 2 pairs of identical models sitting in my closet that are fairly different in color.
     
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    Instead of a boot how about this option in a shortwing or loafer .
     


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  6. NAMOR

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    I contacted Mike for pricing yesterday. Regarding height, I think we should stay true to a balmoral boot with 8-9 eyelets. If there is concern, we can have metal eyelets or speedhooks: The boot I'm wearing today has both metal eyelets and speedhooks and they look great. The hooks aren't as large as the Alden hooks so they're not as "grabby" [​IMG]
     
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    NAMOR Senior member

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    Closeup of the lacing on my Grenson Masterpiece boots: [​IMG] As you can see, the hooks are less obtrusive to comparable boots like Alden. Metal eyelets also look good.
     


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    NAMOR Senior member

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    As Akeem alluded to, the boot may be hard to take on and off. If we go all blind eyelets, it's going to be a pain in the ass getting these on and off
     
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    NAMOR Senior member

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    Mymil, could you do us a favor and look to see how the blind eyelets are constructed? I ask because not all blind eyelets are created equal. Alden, for example just pierces the leather while C&J uses blind metal eyelets. You can see what I'm talking about here:

    http://lastedleather.com/PealvsAlden/pealvsalden.html
     


  11. nayr1982

    nayr1982 Well-Known Member

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    I'll weigh in for a ravello colored bal boot. No opinion on eyelets vs speed hooks, as long as it isn't a chore to get them on/off.
     


  12. MaxK

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    Whole cut all the way. But I'd put another vote in for calf not shell. I love cordovan, but to me this shoe should be a dress calf (and hopefully with a rams head medallion!). A nice light color for spring.
     


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    I like the whole cut idea but with cordovan wrinkles it would look weird IMO. Better to go calf. I would also vote no medallion or brogueing.
     
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  14. FrankCowperwood

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    I like the straight cap toe on these. Would prefer it on the bal boot thought. More distinctive. I like this color or would do cognac as well, for either a boot or a shoe.
     


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