Quote: Originally Posted by NorCal_1 this is the color of shell cordovan you guys should order....Carmina's from Horween's blog: I tried to order the Carminas pictured on the Horween blog by specifying "cognac" in my order, and these are what arrived: Obviously a very different shade than either of the above. I emailed with them about it, and they describe this color as "light cognac" or "brandy," almost more of a saddle tan. So be very careful when selecting a color from them, to ensure you're actually getting the one you want! My boots (model 80184)seem to be on the Oscar last, as far as I can tell from the box, by the way. But I can't compare it to their others. I was actually looking for a brown bal boot with Dainite soles, when I settled on these as the best alternative. So you guys are making me jealous! If I can make a minor suggestion for everybody to mull over, I really like the notch detail where the lacing switches from eyelets to speed lugs. Which are a classic component of bal boots, so I don't really understand the resistance... I wouldn't want to lace a bal boot without them!