Mike, I am eager to see your chinos for this season. I am wearing the service pants now and they fit and feel amazing. They feel a lot softer yet more sturdy than my APC chinos that cost me $50 more. At $150, they are a great value. I took them to get hemmed, and the tailor complimented the construction of the pants too. This tailor knows her stuff when it comes to construction of clothing so it was quite a compliment!