Oh wow, I also thought the Loro Piana swatch looked like charcoal, at least on my monitor at work. It will be tough to decide between that and the Super 120s, but I'm leaning toward the Loro Piana. Will it be possible to special order the Loro Piana Caine jacket in a short size? I really could use a killer navy sportcoat. Also, my grey Weller sportcoat in 34S fits perfectly.