Thanks applky. I thought the Walts had a trimmer thigh than the Rivet Chinos? Was just eyeing the Cramerton cloth Rudys actually (they seem to have the most room), but noticed they are out of size 36. So you think if a size 36 Rivet Chino is too snug in the thighs, a Cramerton Walt might be a good second option? Anyone know if the Rudys will be back in stock in Cramerton Cloth size 36 in the near future?