I'm actually very curious about this. I wear a 32 Walt, and can wear a 32 Rivet comfortably, but they are a little snug in the seat. 33s are a little lose in the waist but work great otherwise--can take in, but depends on how motivated I am. The thighs on my 32 Rivets are great, but I would not want to go any smaller, esp in denim. I have a fair bit of experience w/ raw denim and the thigh is the one place where stretch is particularly hard to achieve. I'm curious about the thighs on the Wilshire, esp since to account for waist stretch, I could easily size down to a 31 (my normal raw denim size assuming the thigh measurement works for me). Def curious to hear people's opinon, as well as Mike's. I could order a couple sizes to try to, but I got (nice) new denim in Sept so I'm not in a rush for these. Excited about them though--they look like a great jean and one I'm hoping to be able to wear.