TheShetlandSweater
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I don't want to see them, unless you are Sonny Crockett in 1985 or wearing canvas sneakers it's a bad look.
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I don't want to see them, unless you are Sonny Crockett in 1985 or wearing canvas sneakers it's a bad look.
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I happen to speak and read Japanese and have never come across a single mention of BR being based on McQueen's trousers. They are always explicitly referred to as being a modern styling repro of 1940's military chinos. This is in comparison to the 1942 and 1945 models which are true military repros. If you want to make the claim that Original Specs are based on McQueen's chinos then the onus is on you to provide a source and evidence.Both the TMC “Hilts” and BR “original spec” are based on the McQueen chinos. The main difference is that TMC’s stuff is explicitly branded as Steve McQueen (they have quite a wide collection of Steve McQueen products.) TMC does this with a few stars of the time, including Brando as well.
The trousers, jackets, etc used in a lot of the 60s WWII films were often not quite accurate, so to get that look right, sometimes a few of the details have to be ‘off’.
Meh, Mankles and Turn Ups. Not my cup of tea
I happen to speak and read Japanese and have never come across a single mention of BR being based on McQueen's trousers.
They are always explicitly referred to as being a modern styling repro of 1940's military chinos. This is in comparison to the 1942 and 1945 models which are true military repros. If you want to make the claim that Original Specs are based on McQueen's chinos then the onus is on you to provide a source and evidence.
Just a random thought:
About 60% of the time I come across someone who's very "anti-fashion" online and see how they dress, they are in skinny fit chinos. These are the same people who, 20 years ago, argued with me and other fashion-obsessed guys about the virtues of slimmer fit clothing. At the time, they wore baggy slacks with echos of 1990s Armani and said slim fit was metrosexual, gay, unmanly, etc. Now they're wearing not just slimmer pants, but skinny pants, and saying they hate whatever is X.
This was mentioned by the proprietor of History Preservation (the US dealer for Buzz Rickson's), who has worked with Toyo on the design and historical reproduction side of things, including Lone Wolf boots, Ike jackets, and others.
Correct, I'm not saying it's an officially-licensed line like the TMC McQueen line or the Buzz Rickson's William Gibson line.
I'm a fan of both brands. I am making the point that the "60s chinos" and "McQueen chinos" of some posters' imaginations were not khaki-colored jeggings. They were trimmer than the full cut WWII khakis… but not by a whole lot.
I don't have a problem with looser pants or other peoples sexuality, who am I to judge??
I think relaxed pants are OK for hiking/climbing or going to raves in 1989 etc.
I just think a slim (not skinny) pant/Jean or chino looks better overall as a style proposition, but then again I think the early to mid 60s is the best era of mens style, maybe that is a British thing as the 40s and 50s aren't particularly looked back on with any fondness by ordinary Brits due to war rationing etc.
Spoke London doesn't look 1960s to me. It just looks 2010. It's true that men wore slim-fit clothing in the 1960s -- just as they did in other eras. But at each iteration, the style took on nuances that made it a product of that era. When I look at Spoke London, I don't see 1960s Mod culture, when men would have worn such slim silhouettes. I see 2010 slim-fit silhouettes, styling, and colors. That era was influenced by turn of the century men's fashion -- Hedi and Raf slimmed men's silhouettes to skinny proportions, and then Thom Browne later brought up the hem. The only 1960s connection at the time was superficial. That silhouette came up during a time when Mad Men was popular and Thom Browne referenced 1960s films such as The Apartment and The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit in his collections.
The "classic" way of dressing is to ignore those fashion trends and find a silhouette that's based on your build. A 7" leg opening, however, is pretty skinny and would be well outside of what would be considered "classic." I wear pants with a 7.75" leg opening. When I went to an Anderson & Sheppard trunk show, John Malone, the trouser cutter, looked down at my pants and asked, "do you always wear trousers this slim?" It also took some finagling to get Edwin at Steed to cut me trousers with a 7.75" leg opening. He wanted me to take something like 8.5" and would only slim it to 7.75" if I wore the 8.5" opening for a while.
I think suits look better with a wider opening -- maybe something like 8.25" on a 30" waist. My odd trousers are 8" or 7.75". My jeans aren't even 7" opening. I think those might be 7.5".
Anyway, I don't have a problem with guys wearing skinny pants, although I think it looks better if you're ultra-thin and wearing it in a more directional look, such as SLP or something. Skinny chinos would be a bad option for the OP since he's a heavier build. I also personally don't like the styling on Spoke's website, where they just do the basic "office bro" skinny chinos with business casual stuff.
After a thorough look, there's are the only three options with brick and mortar in my size in NYC. For sizing I included 44W-50W as acceptable.
BrooksBrothers ($150)
Bonobos ($70 - $140)
SuitSupply ($200)
I'll be checking out all three today and deciding based on fit then price.
I'll be picking up three pairs: Light grey, charcoal, and navy.
Regards for the efforts gentleman.