English Balmoral Boots

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  1. Holvart

    Holvart Member

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    Hi,

    a nice gentleman offered me these boots at a price of 1400 $ . He purchased them at a harness store in the US. And the boots also wear the insignia of the company. His description was that the boots are a custom oder in the 50s from the english shoemaker Jackson & Son in London.
    I wanted to ask some specialists here what they think of the shoes.
    Is that an acceptable price?
    Of course one can see the quality of the work and the materials and the shoes are in a very good condition too. But i dont realy know if i should pay that much for worn boots with unknown heritage. What do you think?


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  2. Bird's One View

    Bird's One View Senior member

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    For a similar cost you could have new MTO EG Shannons. Is there something about these boots that makes them more desirable to you?

    It is hard to predict how durable 60 year old leather will be. Sometimes it's as good as new; sometimes it crumbles to dust.
     
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    Way too much for used boots, in my opinion. For that money you could get any number of top makers to produce a pair to your specifications.
     
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    Too expensive for a machine-sewn stuff.
     
  5. Holvart

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    For a similar cost you could have new MTO EG Shannons. Is there something about these boots that makes them more desirable to you?

    It is hard to predict how durable 60 year old leather will be. Sometimes it's as good as new; sometimes it crumbles to dust.


    Somehow the leather seems too look very warm, as if it were alive. The Shannons dont seem to have that character right out of the box. I dont know if this is due to the patina it has developed throughout the years. I dont have any experience with old leather-goods. I dont know which factors determine the behaviour of old leather. Would be nice to know.

    If you tell me an EG Shannon looks the same after some years with proper treatment i will definitely go for the Shannons or another new pair of the same quality.
    But then why do some John Lobbs have that warm lively look right from the beginning without any patina and without being worn or waxed or creamed at all?
     
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    Those don't look 60 years old and the leather doesn't look that great IMO. They also don't have a channeled sole which I would expect from a shoe in that price range.

    Not worth $1400 or even half that. A pair of Shannon's would look infinitely better new or after a few years of wear.

    I saved pics of a pair of vintage JL St. James bespoke shoes with a much better patina than these. I'll post them tonight for reference (they sold for well under 1k IIRC).

    Somehow the leather seems too look very warm, as if it were alive. The Shannons dont seem to have that character right out of the box. I dont know if this is due to the patina it has developed throughout the years. I dont have any experience with old leather-goods. I dont know which factors determine the behaviour of old leather. Would be nice to know.

    If you tell me an EG Shannon looks the same after some years with proper treatment i will definitely go for the Shannons or another new pair of the same quality.
    But then why do some John Lobbs have that warm lively look right from the beginning without any patina and without being worn or waxed or creamed at all?
     
  7. Holvart

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    Thanks a lot for your advices gentlemen.
    I would love to have a pair of JL Golosh boots. Is there a reference in this forum or somewhere else where i could read about the approximate price ranges for JL shoes in general?
     
  8. I. Gentantithesis

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    300 or 400 would be pushing it.
     
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    a nice gentleman offered me these boots at a price of 1400 $ .

    He may be nice, but asking $1400 for those, he is no gentleman.
     
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    Way too much. Are these particularly noteworthy or historic or just old boots in reasonable shape? Unless you have been searching for these for years as a crowning glory for your shoe museum I would give them a pass. Were you planning on buying them to wear? No, let them go.
     
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    far too expensive. If you research a bit the forum, you'll find that one can have new ones, better made and cheaper...
     
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    Too expensive for that type of boot. I would expect something of a better quality.
     
  14. I. Gentantithesis

    I. Gentantithesis Senior member

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    So, full revelation via link on Post 8 is just too much trouble?

    Mencken was right, why bother.
     
  15. Holvart

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    They're Loake > http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/f...ad.php?t=74410

    The adhesive paper leather symbols, alone, would tend to indicate production within the past thirty years.


    I've crawled through the forum a bit before i asked and i found just the same thread you've linked to. First i thought maybe its just a similar construction but now i think you're right. He must have replaced the soles. I cant imagine the leather symbols on original soles. Even on loakes.
     

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