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EG 888 vs. C&J 337

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by El Guerrouj, Mar 17, 2006.

  1. El Guerrouj

    El Guerrouj Well-Known Member

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    Dear All,

    How does the 888 last compare with the 337 last? Mainly, would an EG Inverness of equivalent length and width (UK E) to a C&J Clifford be more snug or less snug? Or would the difference in fit be unnoticeable?

    I have the Clifford but am looking for a wingtip with a slighly better fit.

    Thanks.
     
  2. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Dear All,

    How does the 888 last compare with the 337 last? Mainly, would an EG Inverness of equivalent length and width (UK E) to a C&J Clifford be more snug or less snug? Or would the difference in fit be unnoticeable?

    I have the Clifford but am looking for a wingtip with a slighly better fit.

    Thanks.


    My experience is that the 337 runs 1/2 size larger than the 888. I take UK8E on the 888 and UK 7.5E on the 337.
     
  3. tattersall

    tattersall Senior member

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    My experience is that the 337 runs 1/2 size larger than the 888. I take UK8E on the 888 and UK 7.5E on the 337.

    Not my experience - I wear the same size for both 888 and 337 and feel no appreciable difference.
     
  4. El Guerrouj

    El Guerrouj Well-Known Member

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    My experience is that the 337 runs 1/2 size larger than the 888. I take UK8E on the 888 and UK 7.5E on the 337.

    Thanks aportnoy. Does the 888 or 337 feel more snug on you? When I toe off in the Clifford, there seems to be a quite a bit of excess leather medial to the crease. I hope this description makes sense.
     
  5. aportnoy

    aportnoy Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Thanks aportnoy. Does the 888 or 337 feel more snug on you? When I toe off in the Clifford, there seems to be a quite a bit of excess leather medial to the crease. I hope this description makes sense.

    That's exactly my experience too. For my first pair I went with a half larger size on the 337 and found that there was an unusual amount of cresaing due to the elongated toe box. Once I dropped down another 1/2 size, the problem vanished.
     
  6. El Guerrouj

    El Guerrouj Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly my experience too. For my first pair I went with a half larger size on the 337 and found that there was an unusual amount of cresaing due to the elongated toe box. Once I dropped down another 1/2 size, the problem vanished.

    Great, thanks for the feedback. I hope Shyam doesn't find my fitting problems a nuisance. [​IMG]

    From the pics I've seen (sysdoc has a great pic of the Clifford and Inverness side by side), it seems like the 888 last is a tad more narrow than the 337. I hope to find out one day soon.
     
  7. medtech_expat

    medtech_expat Senior member

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    Not to confuse the issue, but my experience has been the exact opposite of Andrew's. UK7.5E on the 337 is perfect for me, but after a few wearings the same size on the 888 is running a bit large. I'll drop down to a UK7.0E at EG's June sale.

    As evidenced by the spectrum of responses, you're really best off trying on in person. Good luck!
     
  8. El Guerrouj

    El Guerrouj Well-Known Member

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    Not to confuse the issue, but my experience has been the exact opposite of Andrew's. UK7.5E on the 337 is perfect for me, but after a few wearings the same size on the 888 is running a bit large. I'll drop down to a UK7.0E at EG's June sale.

    As evidenced by the spectrum of responses, you're really best off trying on in person. Good luck!


    Good idea. Thanks for all the responses!
     
  9. whoopee

    whoopee Senior member

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    I wear a 8.5D UK in EG's 888 and 8E UK in the 337. They feel about the same, but of course you should try them on in person - and they will loosen up.
     
  10. sysdoc

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    I wear 9E in 337 and 9/9.5D (sold by RLPL) in 888. The 337 is noticeably roomier in the toe area. 337s were comfortable right out of the box for me, but the 888 needed a few wearings before becoming simply snug enough to be comfortable. I think it was slightly too small for my feet, and is getting stretched out as more wearings happen. It seems like I would probably fit a 9.5/10D in 888s, so I'd probably say there's a difference of about 3/8 size.
     
  12. El Guerrouj

    El Guerrouj Well-Known Member

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    So true!

    I wear both, the EG 888 as well as the C&J 337 in 8E (UK), but the 337 feels roomier. I've got one pair of C&J Welbeck that's in 7.5E and while I can wear it, it took three times as long to break it in so that I wouldn't get blisters from wearing it.

    Thanks for the compliments regarding my pic. I had actually forgotten about it, but I found it again:

    [​IMG]


    Thanks for the pic, sysdoc!

    Is your image one pic of both shoes taken at the same time or is your image two separate pics? I'm hoping the shoes are on the same scale as I'm trying to measure and compare the widths of the toebox. [​IMG]
     
  13. Teacher

    Teacher Senior member

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    The different experiences on this thread bring up an important issue: last differences come from more than just sizing. Sizing is based on only three measurements: ball length, total length, and ball width. However, the shape determines the fit just as much as these measurements. This might sound obvious to some, but it's often forgotten by many. It's because of the differences in shape -- not size -- that accounts for posters above having exactly opposing experiences, all of which I'm sure are perfectly legitimate.
     
  14. sysdoc

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    Thanks for the pic, sysdoc! Is your image one pic of both shoes taken at the same time or is your image two separate pics? I'm hoping the shoes are on the same scale as I'm trying to measure and compare the widths of the toebox. [​IMG]
    The image consists of two photographs taken at different times but with the same camera, under the same angle and with the same focal length. I can't vouch 100% for the distance, but it would be within half an inch.
     

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