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Edward Green Shoes Lacking Quality Control...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Spruce88, May 14, 2016.

  1. coldinboston

    coldinboston Senior member

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    Oh these are chelseas he has stocked in the store and/or can pull stock from EG (like of you need a different last)?

    Or MTO and he will keep them to sell at the store.
     
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  2. Spruce88

    Spruce88 Member

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    They were pulled from E.G. stock.
     
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  3. Highlands

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    From the photos the "scratches" don't appear that significant, however you can see the shoes in real life and can make a better judgment.

    Almost every new pair of shoes I've bought online have had some sort of mark or imperfection (or maybe even slight creases from being tried on previously...as long as it doesn't detract from normal wear (eg. a massive gash), or if it can just be polished away, then I've just gone along with it. Too much mucking around otherwise, and the shoes gets marked from wear eventually anyway. Even buying in store though, if you look closely enough there will always been some "imperfection".
     
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  4. Spruce88

    Spruce88 Member

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    I understand they cannot be "perfect" but the cut near the heel was the deal breaker for me.
     
  5. atia2

    atia2 Senior member

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    I can't see anything fitting your description of "cut" or "gash" near the heel. All I can see is some minor variegation in the colour and surface texture of the leather. One of the pleasures of such shoes is that they are (at least, partially) made by hand from natural materials. Each pair is slightly different and has small details unique to it. You said you wanted the shoes and not the drama, but I'm afraid the drama was entirely of your creation. And now you don't have the beautiful pair of shoes that you wanted. I'm very surprised your retailer offered a refund. I would have refused and secretly hoped that you would take your unreasonable expectations elsewhere in future. He is now stuck with a pair of non-defective, non-stock shoes, on which he has paid an MTO markup which he cannot reasonably re-charge to another customer. But that's between you and him, and not my business.
     
  6. billsayers

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    Take a closer look at the first picture right before where the heel stack begins (it is a horizontal cut).
    Once you see what the OP is referring to, I think you will have a different opinion about the situation.
     
  7. atia2

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    Ah, I see it, thank you. It's in a concealed location but, yes, I agree the maker should have classed that as a second. I retract my criticism of the buyer.
     
  8. TtownMD

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    This is nothing new go to eg thread and go back in thread this problem has happened before. I personally would not accept those shoes also but Steve took care of you so problem solved. I try to stay away from dark oak.
     
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  9. MoosicPa

    MoosicPa Senior member

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    This is one of the reasons I've been refraining from posting on SF recently, too many people on here who think they know everything, when in fact they're clueless. :nodding:

    Here atia2 not only is he wrong about the "gash", but he gets vicious and berates the original poster for having "unreasonable expectations". Incredible.
     
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  10. atia2

    atia2 Senior member

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    And your graceless remark contrasts wonderfully with my admission of error and retraction.
     
  11. MoosicPa

    MoosicPa Senior member

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    Sorry if the truth bothers you, but you shouldn't have said it in the first place.
     
  12. atia2

    atia2 Senior member

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    Actually, I *should* have said it, because I did not see the cut. I thought the buyer was complaining about the mark in the centre of the heel cup, which was similar to those in his other pictures. Therefore, I gave my input on this in good faith, which is the purpose of this forum. Do you propose to shut such discussion down?

    When the cut was pointed out, I admitted my error, retracted my criticism, and gave my good faith reaction on the basis of the new (to me) evidence, namely that the shoe should have been classed as a second.

    You can post what you like. It doesn't bother me. I'm just not sure what it added in this case.
     
  13. steveyoo1983

    steveyoo1983 Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Hello gents

    First and foremost, my sincere apologies to spruce.

    I wanted to post and state few facts however ;)

    I want to say spruce is a very nice customer who came and visited my store after driving for a very long time. I appreciated that and we had good time/conversation at the store....
    spruce tried on UK9 pair and purchased them in store.

    This pair is Dark Oak Chelsea in 82 last an was not an MTO. Maybe we had a miscommunication about this part but it was a factory pull.... This pair was actually on sale at the time of purchase.

    Customer went home and found a small cut on the lacing part (not pictured above).
    I explained to customer it is not a defect but he insisted on getting a new pair so I told him 'I have one pair coming from EG stock pull I so I will swap it for you when it comes in few weeks along with my other shipment....you can hold on to this pair until new pair arrives in few weeks'
    It actually took much longer than few weeks (about 6 weeks) but he was very patient with me.

    I sent customer the second pair but he did not like the little nicks scratches on this second pair he received (picture #2, #3 and #4)

    I tried to explain once more that these are organic materials we are working with and they are not defects and offered customer another additional discount on top of the sale price if he wanted to keep pair #2.
    He decide to take the first pair he received instead since he thought they were in better shape.....however later that day he inspected the first pair again and found the big cut on original pair (picture #1)

    At this point I was bit hesitant to pull yet another stock from EG factory as I feared he might not like the 3rd pair's quality might not be up to his standards....so I offered full refund and process the full refund (minus shoetrees at discounted rated as customer wanted to keep them).....I also offered some shoecare gifts for all the troubles caused.....Customer insisted on pulling another pair from stock at EG...so I finally said okay lets give it another try......I explained to EG factory that customer received two bad pairs and I want them to very carefully examine the shoes before shipping it out for the 3rd time.

    EG replied back saying they will make sure QC properly and polishing manager takes a look at this pair they will ship to us end of May (maybe early June according to my previous EG shipping timeline)

    I really tried here and as a small mom and pop store Im now stuck with two defective pair and this maybe the last pair I can accomodate for the customer.
    Again these pairs were not MTO and they were not sold at full retail....

    Crossing my fingers that the third pair will be up to standard....
    Enjoy your weekend gents
    Steve
     
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  14. steveyoo1983

    steveyoo1983 Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Oh I also want to point out that me and spruce has been on the phone and text to resolbe this situation few times in the past few months...
    (the previous post above was also communicated to spruce for him to review as well)

    I did explain to spruce that since he purchase it from me, it would be best if he deals with me rather than trying to contact EG email (which is their London Shop email...not the EG factory email...which I communicated with him as well)

    VERY IMPORTANTLY.....
    pictures spruce has posted initially is combination of 2 different pairs....


    Picture #1 (one with a deep cut/gouge) is the pair number 1 spruce initially purchased at the store (me and spruce did not see that cut/gouge at the store at the time....)

    Picture #2 #3 #4 is the second pair (factory pull) I sent him...

    Again I am not trying to quarrel with anyone and especially with spruce but wanted to show that I care and I tried (and still trying for the 2nd stock pull...pair #3)
    Thank you again and apologize for the trouble I have caused.

    Cheers!
    Steve
     
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  15. manasdirge

    manasdirge Senior member

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    Well, it looks to me that Steve is doing all he can to make the customer happy, and IMO EG should mark the pair with cut on leather (#1 if I am right) as "seconds/rejects" in the first place instead of sending them out to retailer. to be honest, I have seen many EG seconds, that kind of cut is even inferior to EG seconds....
     
  16. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Senior member

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    Sorry to hear this Steve. Can Edward Green help you out here?
     
  17. rssmsvc

    rssmsvc Senior member

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    I have purchased a bunch of EG from Steve including a 5 order Kentmere MTO order I am waiting on and I know he will bend over backwards to answer questions, to me this smells like EG dumping this on Steve to take care of - not cool of EG and I think Steve and spruce are holding the bag for them not stepping up.

    One of the most annoying explanations from other shoe vendors is this argument "Hey these will be scratched any way so you should be ok with it" - I might have my car scratched but I am not going to be happy buying a brand new car and getting some scratched up car show up.

    However I never have had this issue with Steve and one of the reasons I avoid another vendor in Denver and send all my orders through Steve is because of how earnestly and honestly he tries to make it right.
     
  18. steveyoo1983

    steveyoo1983 Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Many thanks gentlemen for your kind words!

    One of the main reason I responded on this post was to clarify few facts and also to clear EG's name as well.

    It was very unfortunate/unlucky case with spruce's 2 pairs of stock pull...but EG is stepping up and having the 3rd pair shipped to us. This time around both polishing manager and production manager at the factory will inspect them. I still believe their QC and attention to quality is top notch and they are extremely easy to work with actually :)
     

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