Edward Green Appreciation: Pictures, Info, and Where to Buy

[Skell6009]

Lots of EG do this.
Not enough glue holding the midsole/outsole together so it separate.
Maybe spring on outsole stitcher also not enough tension.
No matter,
the stitching still holding it together.
No need for resole.

That's good to hear. Should I still take it to a local cobbler to glue it back together? And should I apply something like Saphir sole guard to do something about the dried out edges?

 

[Son Of Saphir]

No just leave as is.

 

[shoefan57]

It looks like there are two matters to discuss here. One has been well dealt with by Son of Saphir, namely the slight separation of the midsole and outer sole, and FWIW I agree with his contribution.
However I suspect your more immediate concern is the separating of the leather flap that covers the sole sticking. To be honest I have never seen a flap separate so much. it is a cosmetic matter, but I would take it to a competent cobbler, if you know one, to glue it back down or even back to EG. It is not a big job.

 

[Skell6009]

It looks like there are two matters to discuss here. One has been well dealt with by Son of Saphir, namely the slight separation of the midsole and outer sole, and FWIW I agree with his contribution.
However I suspect your more immediate concern is the separating of the leather flap that covers the sole sticking. To be honest I have never seen a flap separate so much. it is a cosmetic matter, but I would take it to a competent cobbler, if you know one, to glue it back down or even back to EG. It is not a big job.

Yes, the separated leather flap is my biggest concern. Even when I just brush my finger along the edges, it's so dried out that it feels like it will flake off like a freshly baked croissant if I used enough force. So simply walking with them makes me feel like it will flake off immediately.

 

[VRaivio]

These are a bit of a holy grail find for me: finally a smart Edward Green shell cordovan pair. Last 82, Dainite-soles, dark brown with a heavy layer of burgundy polish.

 

[downunderdoc]

Can anyone provide advice on 184 sizing? I wear a UK 8E in 202 and 82 so ordered a pair of Piccadillys in the same size from MatchesFashion. I can't even get them on my foot - the instep is extremely low and I don't think the strap is helping anything. I know EG's loafer lasts aren't the most popular but is it worth going up in size or width to try to make it work? TIA

 

[ladislav.jancik]

Can anyone provide advice on 184 sizing? I wear a UK 8E in 202 and 82 so ordered a pair of Piccadillys in the same size from MatchesFashion. I can't even get them on my foot - the instep is extremely low and I don't think the strap is helping anything. I know EG's loafer lasts aren't the most popular but is it worth going up in size or width to try to make it work? TIA

I had exactly the same issue. I think the best way (if possible) is to try them personally in different sizes and widths.

I did blindly try to go with the same size but F width. They were still quite tight in instep area, but are better now, sometimes they fit like a glove, sometimes they are little tight, but this depends on the condition of my feet that particular day I guess. The strap is not helping at all as you mentioned. Still not the most comfortable shoe I have though and I am wondering if half size up with the same width would be better solution.

 

[Shawnc]

Can anyone provide advice on 184 sizing? I wear a UK 8E in 202 and 82 so ordered a pair of Piccadillys in the same size from MatchesFashion. I can't even get them on my foot - the instep is extremely low and I don't think the strap is helping anything. I know EG's loafer lasts aren't the most popular but is it worth going up in size or width to try to make it work? TIA

I am far from an expert on EG sizing but like you, I went with 8E on my first Piccadilly's and like you, could hardly get them on. I didn't know about an F width at the time so I exchanged them for an 8.5E. They were much better but still a little snug. Recently I grabbed an unlined Piccadilly in 8.5E and they are an absolute perfect fit.

 

[downunderdoc]

I had exactly the same issue. I think the best way (if possible) is to try them personally in different sizes and widths.

I did blindly try to go with the same size but F width. They were still quite tight in instep area, but are better now, sometimes they fit like a glove, sometimes they are little tight, but this depends on the condition of my feet that particular day I guess. The strap is not helping at all as you mentioned. Still not the most comfortable shoe I have though and I am wondering if half size up with the same width would be better solution.

I am far from an expert on EG sizing but like you, I went with 8E on my first Piccadilly's and like you, could hardly get them on. I didn't know about an F width at the time so I exchanged them for an 8.5E. They were much better but still a little snug. Recently I grabbed an unlined Piccadilly in 8.5E and they are an absolute perfect fit.

Thank you both for the advice - the consensus seems to be to try the 8.5E. Sadly I can't try them on in person but might order a pair and give them a go. The Hand has some great unlined army green Piccadillys...

 

[Shawnc]

Thank you both for the advice - the consensus seems to be to try the 8.5E. Sadly I can't try them on in person but might order a pair and give them a go. The Hand has some great unlined army green Piccadillys...

Happy to assist. Never heard of The Hand before grabbing my unlined Piccadilly's around a month ago. Dennis was just great to deal with. A first-class owner and store that I recommend highly.

 

[downunderdoc]

Happy to assist. Never heard of The Hand before grabbing my unlined Piccadilly's around a month ago. Dennis was just great to deal with. A first-class owner and store that I recommend highly.

Yep I've done a couple of MTOs through him and he's always been great 👍

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

I agree. Here's what EG themselves write about the matter.
Lotsa nitpicking going on - for something that literally none would think of once the shoes are worn once.
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I indeed think that's nitpicking, but it's fair to ask the question, sure. At what point to we stop appreciating the feats of a natural material? And at what point does the feats of a natural material become a fault?

Higher end footwear like Edward Green, Saint Crispin's and others obviously needs to hold a higher standard than the typical work-wear boot, but the more calmed finishing of EG is what I appreciate the most. Much more so than the overly polished state of many others.

I actually just got into a conversation with a family member (who is in the leather industry) about leather blemishes.

Figured the points spoken about with him are relevant here. It was also from a conversation from the CJ thread where corrected leather was mentioned so you all would have already read this.

Blemishes caused by age (neck wrinkles, creases), scars (barbed wire, insect bites, dung marks, pitch forks), and "holes" (fire brand, surgeries, process during slaughter) are to be expected.

In fact, only 5-7% of all hides (on older animals) do not have damage of some sort. That low % is the leather used as aniline leather.

Calf leather, by comparison, provides a considerably higher percentage of aniline leather as the younger animal has a shorter life span.

Interestingly enough, regardless of the animal's age, skin damage is not always apparent in its raw state. They (tannery) only detect issues after the initial processing stages.

Anywho, I just bring that up to say that imperfect leather isn't the worse thing in the world. Those blemishes or imperfections come part and parcel from the animal's interactions with its environment. The "correcting" of the leather is just to satisfy us fussy folks that examine our shoe's leather far too critically.

 

[Sutefan]

I actually just got into a conversation with a family member (who is in the leather industry) about leather blemishes.

Figured the points spoken about with him are relevant here. It was also from a conversation from the CJ thread where corrected leather was mentioned so you all would have already read this.

Blemishes caused by age (neck wrinkles, creases), scars (barbed wire, insect bites, dung marks, pitch forks), and "holes" (fire brand, surgeries, process during slaughter) are to be expected.

In fact, only 5-7% of all hides (on older animals) do not have damage of some sort. That low % is the leather used as aniline leather.

Calf leather, by comparison, provides a considerably higher percentage of aniline as the younger animal has a shorter life span.

Interestingly enough, regardless of the animal's age, skin damage is not always apparent in its raw state. They (tannery) only detect issues after the initial processing stages.

Anywho, I just bring that up to say that imperfect leather isn't the worse thing in the world. Those blemishes or imperfections come part and parcel from the animal's interactions with its environment. The "correcting" of the leather is just to satisfy us fussy folks that examine our shoe's leather far too critically.

That's a fountain of knowledge you've got there!
With an important message too.

 

[BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes]

That's a fountain of knowledge you've got there!
With an important message too.

Does it matter to some? I promise you that someone's next EG purchase will still be scrutinized as hypercritically.

Curious if price, or the amount paid, causes such meticulous inspection. 🤔

 

[JayDotz]

Any of the experts here able to identify the last on this pair? Matches doesn’t really list any relevant information unfortunately.

https://www.matchesfashion.com/us/products/Edward-Green-Dover-leather-Derby-shoes-1499275