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With all due respect, even the most average person out there can tell that your G&G captoes are of a different breed than those Florsheims the next guy is wearing. The one thing you might be right about is that they might have no clue that in fact those nice shoes you have on are not just better and more expensive but that they actually cost $1500. That, most people don’t know and they could have a heart attack if they found out.
I agree about G&G, especially if we are talking about MH71 or TG73, although I am less sure about GG06. Out of 17 pair of high quality dress shoes (EG, G&G, JL, Norwegian welted SMs, Vass, etc), I haven't bought a pair of plain black captoes yet because I'm still waiting to find a pair of G&G MH71 or TG73. However, for EG and JL, their captoes are not as distinctive in appearance to the average eye. I understand that not everyone wants shoes that look distinctive, but if I am going to spend so much on shoes, I prefer them to be distinguished.
 

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I wear fine clothes to feel good, but I wouldn't mind if attractive women notice what I'm wearing. Do women notice our shoes? They do if they are interested in us....
 

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I agree about G&G, especially if we are talking about MH71 or TG73, although I am less sure about GG06. Out of 17 pair of high quality dress shoes (EG, G&G, JL, Norwegian welted SMs, Vass, etc), I haven't bought a pair of plain black captoes yet because I'm still waiting to find a pair of G&G MH71 or TG73. However, for EG and JL, their captoes are not as distinctive in appearance to the average eye. I understand that not everyone wants shoes that look distinctive, but if I am going to spend so much on shoes, I prefer them to be distinguished.
so you are all about showing off, if I'm not misunderstanding you. Because personally I refuse to wear Florsheim even if I went to drive-thru, after I got exposed to and fell in love with quality shoes. You, on the other hand, as long as your coworkers cannot tell the difference, are willing to wear Florsheim or whatever else looks like a black shoe, the cheaper the better.

Now your question makes a lot more sense to me.
 

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so you are all about showing off, if I'm not misunderstanding you. Because personally I refuse to wear Florsheim even if I went to drive-thru, after I got exposed to and fell in love with quality shoes. You, on the other hand, as long as your coworkers cannot tell the difference, are willing to wear Florsheim or whatever else looks like a black shoe, the cheaper the better.

Now your question makes a lot more sense to me.
Not exactly. As I said above, I wear fine clothes because they make me feel good, and I appreciate the artistry involved in creating a pair of EGs. But I also wear the best clothes I can find because it alters people's behavior towards me. You can call it showing off if you want. I don't find that to be inaccurate.

I think its wrong to assume that people don't notice what we wear, whether we are dressing for ourselves or others. People walking down the street may or may not notice, but I can assure you that your colleagues at work notice, even if they can't detect exactly why you look distinctive. Women notice, especially if they're interested in you. Your competitors at work will notice, and your clients will also notice. If you're an academic, your students and colleagues will definitely notice, especially the women. Not only because you are wearing excellent and refined clothing, but because the way we carry ourselves changes subtly. We are more confident in a fine suit, great tie and superlative pair of shoes, our stance and composure are different, and our gait is different in a pair of EGs compared to low quality shoes.

From experience, I can attest that the behavior of others towards me changes when I'm wearing an Isaia suit, TF tie, and a pair of distinctive 888 EGs. None of my clothes are flashy or too obvious, but nor are they plain.
 
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Honestly, people don’t notice. Most people’s sphere of reference doesn’t include quality shoes (or clothes or watches for that matter) and they aren’t going to be able to tell much difference between a £200 pair of Loakes and Edward Green.

I wear them because I like them, I appreciate the craftsmanship. I’m not bothered about standing out or what the average person thinks.
 

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Not exactly. As I said above, I wear fine clothes because it makes me feel good, and I appreciate the artistry involved in creating a pair of EGs. But I also wear the best clothes I can find because it alters people's behavior towards me. You can call it showing off if you want. I don't find that to be inaccurate.

I think its wrong to assume that people don't notice what we wear, whether we are dressing for ourselves or others. People walking down the street may or may not notice, but I can assure you that your colleagues at work notice, even if they can't detect exactly why you look distinctive. Women notice, especially if they're interested in you. Your competitors at work will notice, and your clients will notice. If you're an academic, your students and colleagues will definitely notice, especially the women. Not only because you are wearing excellent and refined clothing, but because the way we carry ourselves changes subtlety. We are more confident in a fine suit, great tie and superlative pair of shoes, our stance and composure are different, and our gait is different in a pair of EGs compared to low quality shoes.

From experience, I can attest that the behavior of others towards me changes when I'm wearing an Isaia suit, TF tie, and a pair of distinctive 888 EGs. None of my clothes are flashy or too obvious, but nor are they plain.
I can't say I don't agree with many of your points. The question is how far do you go if the objective is to have the impact you are looking for in terms of others' behavior toward you? Because there's some diminishing returns there, for sure. Which pair is that 'distinctive 888 EGs'?
 

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Your point about how one carries oneself is probably true though- but again that’s about how it makes you feel rather than others opinions.
 

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I can't say I don't agree with many of your points. Which pair is that 'distinctive 888 EGs'?
Scroll up....I posted two of my EGs....One is a pair of double soled midnight blue Aberdeens. The other is a pair of storm cloud grey 888 Bluchers..also double soled. I'm not sure about the model of the grey pair. I was hoping that one of you could identify them for me. I don't know if you'll like them, but they aren't average looking.
 

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Scroll up....I posted two of my EGs....One is a pair of double soled midnight blue Aberdeens. The other is a pair of storm cloud grey 888 Bluchers..also double soled. I'm not sure about the model of the grey pair. I was hoping that one of you could identify them for me. I don't know if you'll like them, but they aren't average looking.
Yours is the one on the right (Shelton)
 

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Your point about how one carries oneself is probably true though- but again that’s about how it makes you feel rather than others opinions.
Yes...I agree....nice clothes make us confident, and that has to do with how we feel when we look into the mirror and the internal appreciation we carry about the artistry involved in the creation of our clothes. But there is also an element of social reflexivity to how we feel about ourselves. In other words, how we feel about ourselves is in part a function of how others treat us.

I'm sure we can both think of examples when we were paid a compliment about our clothes, and I'm sure it made both of us feel good. That kind of experience probably motivated me to buy more nice clothes. Is that hopelessly superficial and vain? Maybe it is, but its also a part of being human, unless we are ascetics and monks who aspire to rid themselves of Earthly attachments.

Anyway, I was just sharing my perspective.
 

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Yours is the one on the right (Shelton)
Thanks for the reference. So they are Sheltons, in antique grey or something like that. Good to know.
 

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