- Aug 12, 2016
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C&J also sells these beauties (but I don't know where to buy them). I'd possibly pay $200 if EG's trees looked like that and fit better.
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Not to derail from EG, but his shoes are simply exquisite. I've been tempted by his RTW line, but they are just out of my price range. Perhaps one day I will try to get a pair. I would love to go to The Armoury in NYC and see a pair in person.Best trees I have ever owned were Yohei Fukuda’s
Pretty sure they do. I don't own one but Mercedes and BMW do. Full tank all the way to the top.^Pretty sure when you buy a Ferrari, a tank of fuel is not included.
For whatever reason, it seems like something the handwelted makers do more often than not.You cannot have much respect for the expensive shoemakers that don't automatically (meaning free of charge, included in the price of the shoes) include trees with their shoes. If you know that trees are necessary to extend the life of your shoes then you should know better than not to include them with your shoes and expect that the customer will choose to pay an additional $200 for trees when they may not be able to see the value.
You are already charging an arm and a leg for the shoes and shamelessly keep raising the prices, you think that by adding an extra $20 to the price which would be the cost to make will change anything? But no, for them it's all about money. I already sold you a pair of shoes for a ridiculous $1300, why stop there? Why not on top of that also sell you a pair of trees for an equally ridiculous $200? Many of you will choose to not buy them but who cares. If your shoes don't last as long then better for me.
It's more like going to a fine restaurant that charges $500/person and they ask you if you want butter with your bread because it costs an extra $10.In keeping with the car analogy, would you say it’s like buying a $50k car and then the salesman tries to sell you the corrosion protection package for $895?
Not really. If you're going to use the fine dining analogy, it'd be more like going to an expensive restaurant that has a $500 / person set menu and charges you extra for the optional wine pairing. Except it's also BYOB and they let you bring your own (cheaper) bottle of wine to enjoy with the meal.It's more like going to a fine restaurant that charges $500/person and they ask you if you want butter with your bread because it costs an extra $10.
And your reaction is:
1. $10 you said, for a piece of butter?
2. also, why was it not included when you are already charging me $500 for the meal?
3. and most importantly, are you really expecting me to eat the bread without butter (in case I said no because I thought it was too expensive) or is it abundantly clear to you by now that I'm a sucker and I will pay anything you ask me to pay, no matter how ridiculous it might be?
What makes things worse is when you decide to pay the $10 and what you end up getting is the exact same butter you get at MCD for free.
No exaggeration. I did not say for every shoemaker to include them, only the ones that are charging $1300 for their shoes and have these huge profit margins. And I did not say they would be 'free'. I said if they think it is perfectly reasonable to charge $1300 or $1500 for a pair of shoes, they can't possibly think that $1320 or $1520 is too much.Not really. If you're going to use the fine dining analogy, it'd be more like going to an expensive restaurant that has a $500 / person set menu and charges you extra for the optional wine pairing. Except it's also BYOB and they let you bring your own (cheaper) bottle of wine to enjoy with the meal.
More generally there's no such thing as a free shoe tree, it's either included and baked into the price you're paying or it's not. Would you rather EG raise prices by $160 and include "free" shoe trees with every pair of shoes? Because that's the consequence of EG including shoe trees with every pair of shoes. Out of the makers I've tried only Vass, Zonkey Boot, and St. C include shoe trees with every purchase. That leaves a plethora of other "high end" makers who do not: EG, JL, G&G, Bonafe, AM (maybe I'm wrong here I forget), Scafora, not to mention many other popular shoemakers like C&J, Carmina, Alden, Viberg, Alfred Sargent, and pretty much every single other maker with a SF thread. Even some bespoke makers charge you extra for the trees.
The only potential benefits I can see from including shoe trees are: 1) convenience, 2) psychological benefit (because the cost is hidden you feel like you're getting it for "free"), and 3) maybe on the margin it means you're charged a tiny bit less since the shoemaker might be willing to take a slightly lower margin on a higher $ revenue. Personally I don't really mind either way but it's an exaggeration to claim that a shoemaker with any modicum of respect for their product would include trees.