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Economy Adjusts Store Relations on Madison Avenue

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By ERIC WILSON Published: February 17, 2009 From the NYT: WHO among us, man or woman, rich or less than rich, fashion reporter or prostitute, cannot relate to the “Pretty Woman” experience of walking into a designer boutique and being made to feel unwelcome by a snooty salesclerk? It’s nothing personal. A former employee of the Yves Saint Laurent shop on Madison Avenue once confided that it is a common and effective practice to size up a customer by looking at two simple things: his watch and his shoes. If the accessories are not expensive, he is not worth the effort of even a simple hello. But the recession has quickly transformed the attitude of the Madison Avenue work force from impenetrable to inviting, seemingly overnight. Salesclerks, haunted by the papered-over windows of stores next door, are being trained to exude a level of customer service rivaling that of Disney. MaxMara, for instance, recently held employee seminars on enhancing the shopping experience of anyone who walks through the front door, and it has been reported that other stores are making more effort to greet and engage. Any potential credit card holder, it would seem, can be treated like a star. So, dressed, if not poorly, then as plainly as possible in a sweatshirt, jeans and dog-walking shoes, I visited more than a dozen stores last week to see just how hard it would be to be ignored. There was little chance of that. Within 30 seconds of walking into Chanel’s fine jewelry store at 735 Madison Avenue, I had a $4,500 black ceramic J12 watch snapped onto my wrist and a cheerful salesman telling me he had just read a book that claimed men who wore big, chunky watches were often remembered by those who met them as being taller than they actually are. I had walked in wearing a digital watch that cost less than $3 (made by Acqua, if you’ll excuse my name-dropping), which was placed gingerly on a velvet tray. At Emanuel Ungaro (792 Madison Avenue), I tried on a $3,000 salt-and-pepper tweed topcoat with side vents, interestingly enough, in the front. It looked silly, but the saleswoman offered to stitch up the vents, even though the coat was on sale at 60 percent off. Walking though the Ralph Lauren mansion (867 Madison Avenue), I felt like a regular, encountering no fewer than 17 employees who said “Hello,” “Howareya?,” “Can I help?” on three floors. At Prada (841 Madison Avenue), where years ago I was made to feel small for returning a belt that, paradoxically, would not fit around my waist, a patient salesman attended as I tried on eight styles of loafers in three different sizes, all of them too big in the heel. After switching to lace-ups, the only pair that fit well looked like safety shoes. They cost $695. I told him I’d think about it. He couldn’t have been nicer, although I will point out that at John Lobb (680 Madison Avenue), the salesman actually got down on his knees to put my feet into a pair of $1,100 loafers. It was almost shocking, then, to step into the Gucci store (840 Madison Avenue) and encounter a greeter who asked, in a sharp tone, “What are you looking for?” Upstairs, I thought I’d try on a $350 swimsuit — what the heck? — but stood stock-still in the middle of an empty room for a full five minutes before anyone appeared to offer assistance. The swimsuit was cute, but unrealistic. As I left, another salesman approached and asked, “You still here?” “I’m just looking.” “Looking, looking, looking,” he said, wagging his head. Ew. Tom Ford, the former Gucci designer, opened his own store one block up, across the street (845 Madison Avenue) in 2007. It’s the most pretentious place on earth, but also pretty fabulous. I expected the worst. Instead, a gentleman approached and asked right away if I’d like anything to drink. “Um, water?” “Still or sparkling?” A minute later, a uniformed butler approached with a highball glass on a silver platter and asked if I might prefer lemon or lime. After admiring a pinstripe suit and a display of dress shirts in 20 shades of pink, I slunk out of the store, feeling as if I was the one who was rude for being so presumptuous. But not nearly as presumptuous as when I challenged a saleswoman at MaxMara (813 Madison Avenue) to find a lightweight, light-colored coat in a size 8 as a gift for mother. She produced, within five minutes, five styles that were not even on the sales floor, each more delectable than the next, none of which I had any intention or ability to buy, as was evident by my watch and shoes. Sorry, mother.
 

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Nice article, and it seems to justify my watch habit! ; )

Only thing is, upon deeper thought, what the salespeople think of you is completely meaningless. If you have money, you can buy anything you want...if you don't have money, you can't buy anything. Salespeople seem irrelavent whe compared to basic economics, and the amount of money you have to spend vs. the prices of the goods in the store.

Anyone agree? Sure fine service is nice, but not necessary to complete the purchase.
 

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Good. I have definitely walked out of a fair number of stores due to a-hole SAs.
 

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while all this may be true, I still had a dreadful experience at Barneys mainstore in NYC, as recently as this past sunday.

I actually had on an overcoat, silk scarf, sportscoat, pocketsquare, and well polished shoes. My wife was dressed a bit more casual but nontheless quite presentable. I was wheeling a small Tumi suitcase.

The front door to the Men's store, for those who don't know, is quite difficult to pull open. My wife actually could not do it. About 8 feet away, on the inside, stood an employee who actually was looking at us while we fumbled with the door.

Oh, and did I mention that we actually were looking to buy something (a pair of nice gloves for my wife). After that we just left and ended up getting a pair of sized glove for her at some boutique store down the street.

I really wish the worse for Barneys. May it go the way of Circuit City and such.

I ended up taking out my frustration on some big stuffed bear at FAO Schwarz.
 

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Originally Posted by longskate88

Anyone agree? Sure fine service is nice, but not necessary to complete the purchase.


Practically speaking yes, but there are stores that I will never step foot in again in my life and sales associates that I refuse to deal with in others because of poor service. I am not referring to be fawned over (because I hate this), just general professionalism.
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
while all this may be true, I still had a dreadful experience at Barneys mainstore in NYC, as recently as this past sunday.

I actually had on an overcoat, silk scarf, sportscoat, pocketsquare, and well polished shoes. My wife was dressed a bit more casual but nontheless quite presentable. I was wheeling a small Tumi suitcase.

The front door to the Men's store, for those who don't know, is quite difficult to pull open. My wife actually could not do it. About 8 feet away, on the inside, stood an employee who actually was looking at us while we fumbled with the door.

Oh, and did I mention that we actually were looking to buy something (a pair of nice gloves for my wife). After that we just left and ended up getting a pair of sized glove for her at some boutique store down the street.

I really wish the worse for Barneys. May it go the way of Circuit City and such.

I ended up taking out my frustration on some big stuffed bear at FAO Schwarz.


I think they alternate which of those doors are locked on purpose...indeed one of the doors has "please use the other door" printed on it and then that other door is locked!
 

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Originally Posted by longskate88
Nice article, and it seems to justify my watch habit! ; )

Only thing is, upon deeper thought, what the salespeople think of you is completely meaningless. If you have money, you can buy anything you want...if you don't have money, you can't buy anything. Salespeople seem irrelavent whe compared to basic economics, and the amount of money you have to spend vs. the prices of the goods in the store.

Anyone agree? Sure fine service is nice, but not necessary to complete the purchase.


I paid retail price for a pair of C&J Loundes because I received excellent service at T&A. Fine service helps a lot.

If I didn't say it before: F*CK Barneys.
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Originally Posted by Kuro
I think they alternate which of those doors are locked on purpose...indeed one of the doors has "please use the other door" printed on it and then that other door is locked!

I know that. The door that was "locked" was the left door. The right door was the one that opens and was the ones that my wife tried to open.
 

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Originally Posted by Kuro
Practically speaking yes, but there are stores that I will never step foot in again in my life and sales associates that I refuse to deal with in others because of poor service. I am not referring to be fawned over (because I hate this), just general professionalism.
Of course, bad service (like negative service) sucks, but I kind of meant "no service" as in being totally ignored when walking around (which would not literally stop you from making a purchase). Bad service however, has kept me from going back to a few places also. No service is great for me, but pushy, overbearing, or rude salespeople are worse than 'no service.' Was in Ben Bridge a few days ago browsing watches, and a sales lady kept pushing random jewelry on the girlfriend and I...Not ONE sentence out of her mouth was simple "hello, how are you?" EVERY single sentence was a sales pitch in some way or the other, it was like trying to have a conversation with one of those automated telephone menus. She simply hovered, pulled out random things from the cases in front of us, said things like "this is $495, maybe you should get it." She then went on about how inexpensive Tag Heuers are compared to my Breitling, and that I should go look at them since they're so cheap.
 

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My preferred service is little service. Just get me what I need when I asked for something that's not on dispaly.
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
My preferred service is little service. Just get me what I need when I asked for something that's not on dispaly.

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Originally Posted by longskate88
Of course, bad service (like negative service) sucks, but I kind of meant "no service" as in being totally ignored when walking around (which would not literally stop you from making a purchase).

Bad service however, has kept me from going back to a few places also. No service is great for me, but pushy, overbearing, or rude salespeople are worse than 'no service.'



If by no service you mean not hovering over you then I agree. I actually prefer when the sales associates are not running over asking if they can help me when I am looking at something and going in to a sales pitch....just a simple hello when I walk in the store is fine and then just wait until I ask for help. All the sales talk and commentary is so disingenuous...
 

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Originally Posted by Kuro
If by no service you mean not hovering over you then I agree. I actually prefer when the sales associates are not running over asking if they can help me when I am looking at something and going in to a sales pitch....just a simple hello when I walk in the store is fine and then just wait until I ask for help. All the sales talk and commentary is so disingenuous...


I completely loathe it myself b/c I see it on the daily as a worker and as a shopper but do you think SA's are overbearing by choice? 9 times out of 10, no. It comes from upper management who tell their employees to greet a customer, show them like 5 pieces they didn't ask for and every 2 minutes to check on that client if they're just looking or happen to be in a fitting room. And that 1 out of 10 who don't need to be asked from mgmt to be overtly pushy? 9 out of 10 of them are kiss asses anyway....
 

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I find the majority of SAs in this part of the world - even in the high end boutiques - can't tell a pair of $1,500 shoes and a $5,000 watch when they see them!

They're just so far up themselves they're trying to forget that they're in their late 20s and working full-time in a shop for $20 an hour, and so far their life hasn't panned out quite as well as they expected after they graduated with and arts degree!
 

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