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E. Marinella new website

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by kcc, Jun 7, 2006.

  1. kcc

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    I have bought 2 bespokes they are ready about 2 months.
     
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    Ties are OK, nothing special. At full retail, I'd say that they are even overpriced. Drakes makes Marinella's RTW ties. Drakes' namesake ties are made at least as well as the Marinella's and they make a better knot than the Marinella's and they are cheaper. Marinella's are nice ties but they are sub $100 ties in my book.
     
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    Ties are OK, nothing special. At full retail, I'd say that they are even overpriced. Drakes makes Marinella's RTW ties. Drakes' namesake ties are made at least as well as the Marinella's and they make a better knot than the Marinella's and they are cheaper. Marinella's are nice ties but they are sub $100 ties in my book.

    ed

    does Drakes offer MTM?
     
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    Don't know. Any particular reason you want MTM ties?
     
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    Don't know. Any particular reason you want MTM ties?

    I'll phone or email; yeah, 6'5''
     
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    I like their ten commandments:

    Charming how the Italian accent breaks through, even in writing.
     
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    Is it actually a known thing that Drake's makes all of Marinella's RTW ties? I know that both source a great deal of their silks -- particularly the gum twills -- from Vanners in England. I recall that Oscar Udeshi once posted on AA that Drake's was contracted to make some Marinella RTW ties at one point when the company was overwhelmed with orders. Or something like that. Is there more to the story than this?
     
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    Ties are OK, nothing special. At full retail, I'd say that they are even overpriced. Drakes makes Marinella's RTW ties. Drakes' namesake ties are made at least as well as the Marinella's and they make a better knot than the Marinella's and they are cheaper. Marinella's are nice ties but they are sub $100 ties in my book.
    Yeah, I've heard that--from RJman, I think. Has anyone confirmed that fact? And if true, does Drake do all the printing too, or just the weaving? And can anyone confirm that the ties that Drake makes for Marinella (if this is, in fact, still the case) are identical in quality of silk and manufacture to those they brand under their own name? As an analogy, the fact that C&J makes shoes to be branded by, among others, Brooks and Ralph Lauren, along with Cleverley, doesn't mean that all of these shoes are of the same quality (they aren't), nor of the same quality as those they brand themselves. Although I could well be wrong about this, I somehow doubt that just any Drake tie is the quality equivalent of a tie branded by Marinella. I'm basing this conjecture on the price differences and immensely-positive reputation that Marinella ties enjoy on the various forums. Can anyone add to this Drake-Marinella connection?

    Edit: Sorry, Manton. I posted before realizing that you had. I'm raising the same question.
     
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    Roger: Drake does not, to my knowledge, weave or print silk. The silk is all sourced from various English silk makers. Ditto Marinella. Some companies like Hermes do make their own silks, but this is the exception rather than the rule in the tie world. Now, comissioning silk is another matter. That works much like suitings. Most of the renowned merchants work with spinners and weavers, to the extent of supplying a design and specifiying weight, ply, and weave, but they do not themselves make any cloth.
     
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    Manton, so is the process one in which Drake or Marinella purchase the woven silk (to their specifications) and then apply the printing (with printed ties) and/or the color dyes? What about woven ties in which the pattern (say stripes) is already woven in. Do the tie companies just purchase it and then cut, fold, and stitch the ties? For some reason, I had imagined that the tie makers did much more than that.
     
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    To the best of my knowlegde, the silk makers both weave and print. The tiemakers cut and sew. And put in the lining, the loop, etc. However, they often comission silk made to their specifications, including weight, color, pattern, weave, etc.
     
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    Argh!
    There was a thread where someone bought a Marinella which had a "Made in England" and the telltale "MD" initials in tiny font printed on a tag. That was made by Drake's. I don't believe that all Marinella are made by Drake's; it's a misconception certain others have been perpetuating. Marinella have their own workrooms and they use them. I own ties from Marinella and Drake's and they're both excellent. I find Marinella's patterns a little staid on the whole.I prefer Holliday & Brown, who also supposedly made some Marinella ties according to Udeshi. Those were made in England and now are made in Italy. Marinella said it used to buy silks from Holliday & Brown and from its defunct colleague Sambrook Witting. The H&B patterns can very closely resemble Marinella, so I'd say there's truth that they sourced their silks from the same sources. However, I believe now the H&B silks are sourced from Mantero, a large silk weavers and tiemakers that owns H&B.
    I can understand if Drake's or H&B occasionally helped Marinella fill orders the way years ago C&J would occasionally make shoes for John Lobb. Drake's in particular will use its tiny initials on items it makes in order to show it made them. Find those on a Marinella tie tag and you have a Drake's-made Marinella. If you can't, I don't believe Drake's made it.

    I think Marinella's nice; I think the mystique is overplayed, except that the shops in Milan and Naples truly are otherworldly (they even blew away my decidedly hard-to-impress sister, who brought me back a Marinella souvenir from one) in atmosphere and service; the silks are truly wonderful,better than Hermes IMHO;and they have done a very good job preserving not just their name and integrity but a house style as sharp and clear as a the lines of a Bertone-designed car.
     
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    Is it actually a known thing that Drake's makes all of Marinella's RTW ties? I know that both source a great deal of their silks -- particularly the gum twills -- from Vanners in England. I recall that Oscar Udeshi once posted on AA that Drake's was contracted to make some Marinella RTW ties at one point when the company was overwhelmed with orders. Or something like that. Is there more to the story than this?

    hey M, thought we had lost you to the exciting world of publishing. glad to see you around
     
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    Argh!There was a thread where someone bought a Marinella which had a "Made in England" and the telltale "MD" initials in tiny font printed on a tag. That was made by Drake's. I don't believe that all Marinella are made by Drake's; it's a misconception certain others have been perpetuating.
    Sorry, RJman if I made a faulty attribution. That's what happens with a faulty memory! And it's so hard to check sources on these forums. I probably read a post of yours in which you said what you've repeated here and just remembered the connection between the firms.

    BTW, for anyone who really likes Drake ties, take a look at what Sierra Trading Post have for sale these days. Lots and lots of them at excellent prices (as low as $35 and $42 on sale). If they're half the tie some seem to think, there are some good deals to be had. The patterns on the mini-florals and medallions are quite similar to Marinella patterns. [​IMG]
     
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    I like their ten commandments: Charming how the Italian accent breaks through, even in writing.
    In the main, I agree with the commandments, but I prefer a tie that is 8-8.5cm wide. I think that it gives a bit of a youthful retro look to a serious outfit.
     
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    Whether Drakes makes all Marinella RTW ties or not my opinion is unchanged, at $155 a tie, you are better off with others, not the least among them Drakes. In comparing both, I find no evidence that Marinella uses superior construction.
     
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    Whether Drakes makes all Marinella RTW ties or not my opinion is unchanged, at $155 a tie, you are better off with others, not the least among them Drakes. In comparing both, I find no evidence that Marinella uses superior construction.

    Yes, but they're not $155 in Italy. Of course, a lot of good clothing is like that.
     
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    Great the new website has just as much frustratingly futile flash as the last one with practically the same dearth of photos. Is there some flash craze raging across europe?
     
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    Argh!
    There was a thread where someone bought a Marinella which had a "Made in England" and the telltale "MD" initials in tiny font printed on a tag. That was made by Drake's.

    It was a thread at AAAC that is likely lost in the archives. I believe that I was the one who linked the ebay auction with the Drake's made Marinella. That said, I don't know that one could, based on that one item, assume that all Marinella RTW are made by Drake's.

    By the way, there seems to be a tone of shock that Marinella could even be compared to Drake's. Drake's makes a pretty decent tie, you know.

    I'll look on my desktop and see if I saved the pic from that auction. I don't think I did, though.
     

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