Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by ernest, Nov 21, 2004.
What color is a DRESS shirt ?
It depends on other details too. A blue barrel cuff oxford shirt is not going to be a nice dress shirt, but a pink french cuff and covered button fly (don't know the official name for it) in 140s is going to look very nice.
The choices are utterly asinine and the poll is consequently worthless.
The 'button fly' is a placket, and a covered one is simply a covered placket.
I'll wear any color or pattern, provided the collar is the right shape to hold a tie - for me, that's a spread or cutaway: A droopy point collar means casual to me.
I don't have a 9-to-5 shirt-and-tie office job, though, so my dress shirts are worn when dressing up for events. If I want to wear a white shirt to showcase a busy tie, that's what I'll do. But I like the option of many colors and patterns - why not have fun with it when you have the chance?
Apparently the Internet poll is the new 'pistols at dawn'. (Witness Drizzt and Ernest dueling with them the other day.)
There's no mention of other patterns. Seems to me this has to do less with color than with style, sizing, and material.
I checked the box for "all colors" only because my definition is basically any shirt that is of a color that can be worn to the office and can be worn with a tie - - a pretty broad range. So, flannels won't fit the definition, nor will a bright purple shirt.
It seems obvuious that Iwans talking about popeline or threat to threat only.
Ernest, I'd go ask for your money back for those English lessons.
Here's one point-of-view: In the lexicon of gentlemen of means, the term 'dress shirt' is used exclusively to mean that type of shirt meant to be worn with a tuxedo. The term used by the same gentlemen for a shirt meant to be worn with a business suit is 'shirt'. Why? It is assumed that a gentleman will always be wearing a suit except on those occasions when he is wearing a 'white-tie shirt or a 'dress shirt' or a 'sport shirt' or a 'polo shirt' or a 'golf shirt'. Hence, the everyday term 'shirt' is used for the expected everyday wear. A 'sport shirt' is one which can be worn by itself. It has barrel cuffs rather than cuffs meant for cuff links and a different placement of the first center placket button. Most 'sport shirts' can also be worn with a blazer. If this sounds rather simplistic, so be it. The rules of etiquette don't often change in those circles where 'dress-down Fridays' are regarded as an unspeakable aberation of some third-world cult needing immediate extermination. Therefore, as previously implied by other posters, this thread is rather . . . stupid. One cannot make out-of-context determinations in this instance. Each social circle in which a particular garment is worn has its own rules governing such wear. If your favorite musical group is Megadeth, I would assume that your idea of 'dress shirt' would be that one of your leather vests which actually closes in the front.
Please do not play on word when you know what I mean. So if you prefer answer to this question : "what is a business shirt" ? I am French, I use a language which is not mine. So if saying "dress" instead of "business" (everybody BUT you understand the question) is being stupid, what are people here who do not even speak a word in French?
Hope you have posted the same thing to the guy who was asking about what tie to wear with a GREEN DRESS shirt...? I guess he needs your help as he wears a GRESS shirt with a tuxedo.
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