Drape tutorial?

[Manton]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Maybe it is because I am built like a twig, but I would have thought that significant waist suppression would require some fullness to the hip. If I wanted, I could wear a very slim sack that made me look like a column -- no flare at all.

Perhaps trim in this case is a relative term?

What I like is a hip that is narrower than the chest. On really big, egg-shaped dude, this is impossible. But on a lot of guys it is possible, and looks great. I don't like the double-legged martini glass -- V-shaped chest, H-shaped abdomen -- so rather than that, I would prefer to see the skirt expand from the waist, so long as it cups back in again at the bottom.

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by Manton

What I like is a hip that is narrower than the chest. On really big, egg-shaped dude, this is impossible. But on a lot of guys it is possible, and looks great. I don't like the double-legged martini glass -- V-shaped chest, H-shaped abdomen -- so rather than that, I would prefer to see the skirt expand from the waist, so long as it cups back in again at the bottom.

I like what you like, only I don't like it to cup.

 

[grimslade]

manton, you never listen to me in these matters, but I think you should cut Sator some slack.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

I like what you like, only I don't like it to cup.

Well, then, you might as well go to Huntsman, you philistine.

 

[jefferyd]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Pardon the interruption, but would the hip on Jeffrey's coat be called trim? I would not have thought so. I would have thought a trim hip would be more columnar, though perhaps I am misunderstanding the term.

Let me make clear I'm not attempting to wade into the dispute over the definition of drape. Perhaps this is a bad point to place this post, but there we go.

You guys are killing me.

I was blessed with what my sister calls "child-bearing hips". My usual habit is to build up the shoulders of my suits to disguise this. It would appear that a bit of drape could maybe also have the same effect. (okay, that really did hurt)

The waist is nowhere near as cinched as it is on my POW suit or the flannel ones but the swelled chest makes it look like it is.

May I add that I have been particularly diligent in the gym of late and this may be contributing to some of the dysmorphia.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by grimslade

manton, you never listen to me in these matters, but I think you should cut Sator some slack.

I have tried my best to talk with him in a friendly way over the years. I was even amused by his turn to militancy a while back. But his recent BS was just too much.

As I have said, I don't care if people don't like drape, or don't like what I wear. But Sator seems to feel the need too construct definitions that are A) false and B) make these preferences seem a priori illegitimate.

I realize how puny are the stakes, but if we are trying to (among other things) present the truth to curious, interested observers, junk like that should not be allowed to stand.

If I were correcting someone on egullet who hated recipe X, and rather than leave it at that, proceeded to falsley define one of the ingredients as battery sludge, would you say I was out of line?

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by jefferyd

You guys are killing me.

I was blessed with what my sister calls "child-bearing hips". My usual habit is to build up the shoulders of my suits to disguise this. It would appear that a bit of drape could maybe also have the same effect. (okay, that really did hurt)

The waist is nowhere near as cinched as it is on my POW suit or the flannel ones but the swelled chest makes it look like it is.

May I add that I have been particularly diligent in the gym of late and this may be contributing to some of the dysmorphia.

Sorry. If it is any consolation, lately I have been packing on pounds, thus increasing the junk in my trunk.

It is a testament that the coat is cut such that I assumed the effect was a deliberate bit of tailoring trickery. But I would note that your coat looks similar to the other drape coats pictured in the thread. None, as far as I can recall, has what I would consider a very trim hip.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by jefferyd

You guys are killing me.

I was blessed with what my sister calls "child-bearing hips". My usual habit is to build up the shoulders of my suits to disguise this. It would appear that a bit of drape could maybe also have the same effect. (okay, that really did hurt)

The waist is nowhere near as cinched as it is on my POW suit or the flannel ones but the swelled chest makes it look like it is.

May I add that I have been particularly diligent in the gym of late and this may be contributing to some of the dysmorphia.

I actually thing the PoW coat makes you look slimmer, but I still like the drape coat a lot more,

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by Manton

Well, then, you might as well go to Huntsman, you philistine.

 

[Manton]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Beware, long coats.

 

[mmkn]

Originally Posted by jefferyd

Masculine - swelled chest
also Masculine - structured shoulders
Feminine - hourglass skirt

Somewhere in there is a fit that maximizes masculinity and minimizes femininity, without being too formal or casual looking. I will keep reading.

Originally Posted by Manton

If they started swooping at the waist button and ended up in the same place it might look more "normal" to us . . .

. . . then I might see both J's waistband and his shirt peeking out?

- M

 

[jefferyd]

Originally Posted by DocHolliday

Sorry. If it is any consolation, lately I have been packing on pounds, thus increasing the junk in my trunk.


It's okay. My sister got them too, which you might have seen had Alden not deleted that forum.

 

[jefferyd]

Originally Posted by mmkn

Masculine - swelled chest
also Masculine - structured shoulders
Feminine - hourglass skirt


- M

Structured shoulders? There's nothing in there. And to repeat, the feminine hourglass skirt is my mother's fault.

 

[DocHolliday]

Originally Posted by mmkn

Feminine - hourglass skirt

Nonsense!

 

[mmkn]

Originally Posted by jefferyd

had Alden not deleted that forum.

Can someone reference what J is writing of?

Thanks,

- M