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Does "Made in Italy" matter anymore?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by othertravel, Aug 22, 2011.

  1. SpooPoker

    SpooPoker Internet Bigtimer and Most Popular Man on Campus Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    Tom Ford IS made by Zegna. To Napoli XXX standards.
     
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    Did not know that one! Cheers! I assume therefore that YSL and Gucci are also involved with Zegna. Does Zegna make suits for everybody then :laugh:?
     
  3. SpooPoker

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    I don't think YSL is, nor Gucci, but I have not had a recent suit from them, so I cannot say.
     
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    Brooks brothers has some full canvassed sport coats made in China for pretty cheap... just sayin'
     
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    I went mad this summer and bought 2 YSL suits and 1 Gucci suit, and all made in Switzerland. That is my assumed link to Zegna. Im not sure they are as well made as Zegna though, Gucci one in particular have gone for handticked lapels despite having no canvassing anywhere.

    Now to combat buyers remorse for hitting the trigger on those suits just because they were 50% off. The grass is always greener on the other side and the regret runs deep :embar:
     
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    I'll never buy any "Made in China" luxury goods again, after buying a RLPL 100% handmade cashmere sweater, MSRP $999 USD (which of course is not anywhere near what I paid for it), that was Made in China. That sweater sheds like crazy. I cannot say for sure that being Made in China is the cause of my sweater being crap, but that is a plausible enough explanation for me to avoid taking further risks with "Made in China" for any non-disposable clothing. Or if other sf members can tell me why that sweater is crap, if not because it is Made in China, I'll reconsider my position on "Made in China."
     
  7. SpooPoker

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    If cashmere pills, it is because of poor yarn quality, not the actual construction of the garment.
     
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    Yes, and this is a damn shame!
     
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  9. in stitches

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    you can call me out by name bro its ok, ive heard far worse.

    i dont think my suit would be any more baller if it was made in italy. in fact shortly before i bought my mtm zegna i bought a canali suit from the rack which is made in italy. there is not even a question that the finishing on the zegna suit is far beyond that of the canali, and the fabric has a much nicer hand as well. and yet i was slightly bothered by the fact it was made in switzerland. even though i knew they had factories there before i bought the suit. and that was exactly the point i was making, but i guess i was unclear. so i shall try again.

    there is no doubt that the location of a suits manufacture does not dictate its quality. however, the "made in italy" branding shall we say has been so powerful in its connotations over the years that despite my knowledge of the facts i was still slightly disappointed that my tag didnt say made in italy. not that i in any way feel it detracts from the quality of the suit, but rather the concept has been so drilled in my head that i had to conciously move past it. this is the sign of great branding, and it deserves recognition thats all. :)


    i am not made by zegna, though that would be cool.
     
  10. SpooPoker

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    You are definitely made to XXX standards, thats for sure.
     
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    I bought a similar RLPL sweater and find myself wondering if the RL folks specified the yarn ... or if the factory (in China) had more to do with that ... or if the factory substituted something other than what was specified.

    As of this point, a Goodwill has my RLPL sweater with lots of pilling.

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    As for 'Made in Italy' ... according to Dana Thomas, the author of Delux, all that is required for a piece to be 'Made in Italy' is that one facet of construction must be accomplished in Italy. In some instances, this one 'facet' was nothing more than attaching the 'Made in Italy' label itself.
     
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    My guess is that if the price was really $995, someone at their design team said "We need to make a cashmere sweater that comes in at just under $1K. Source what you need to do to get us there."
     
  13. in stitches

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    :lol:

    :embar:

    ;)

    :fistbump:

    did you at least read the serious part of my post. once in a while i am a tad serious. its rare but it does happen here and there. :)
     
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    true Stitch, so true :)
     
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    I don't really recall the price on my sweater ... but that's neither here nor there ... as you could say the same thing about $1500. In any event, if you are correct I blame Ralph ... not Mr. Lifshitz personally mind you ... but the business.

    But damn that sweater -- in dark olive green -- looked wonderful off the shelf. That look certainly didn't last long.
     
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    Naw what the heck - I can tell you are a good guy :). I was generalizing in my imagination the concept of being detracted about the made in Switzerland - I already assumed with you it was no big deal. But to some it is a big deal. Peace out :slayer:
     
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    Do Italians even work in Italian factories? I thought it was all immigrant labor anyways.

    Also, manufacturing clothes is a skill that is transferable not genetic. You can teach a Chinese laborer how to sew to a certain standard just as well as an Italian. Didn't anyone see Gomorra?
     
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    +1 Said with gusto. Nice Klobber.

    I thought the anti 'made in China, etc' sentiments were as much about standing against the out-sourcing to third world sweatshops as it was to potentially comprimised quality, no?
    Damn....I just checked the label on my Zegna shorts...Made in Hong Kong....what the hell?
     
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    :cheers: to the both of ya :D
     
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    BMW and Mercedes make cars in the US. Does that mean a Ford Edsel is a good car?
     

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