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Does it ever end?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Stugotes, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    Has anyone on this board ever thought that what he has (or will have) in suits, shirts, shoes etc. are sufficient at one point in time? Simon Crompton wrote an article on things in which you put your fine clothes and shoes once you have enough of them. But does this ever happen? I have a plan/list of what I want and need, I want suits in several forms and designs, same goes for shirts, shoes, ties, coats... I can't possibly imagine that I could own more than 20 suits at the same time, even if I was a millionaire. Sure, I've had lots of suits, though most plain sucked and got replaced, once I could afford the next level of qualtiy and fit.

    Does one actually reach the point where one just doesn't need any more stuff? Where to go from a closet full of Rubinacci or SR suits?

    Looking at closets like Vox' (sure, an extreme example) seems to suggest there will never be an end to it.
     
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  2. YRR92

    YRR92 Senior member

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    I think everybody thinks this -- they just put that point in time about two or three major purchases in the future. [​IMG]
     
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  3. Pawz

    Pawz Senior member

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    No, because one's clothing exists in a constant state of entropy/decomposition, which is accelerated by wear and the damaging rays of the sun. Therefore, one must have a constant supply coming in so one will continue to look fresh.
     
  4. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I feel more or less done. Virtually anything I want now is only what would be fun to have, not what I need to put together a good outfit.
     
  5. Willin

    Willin Senior member

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    Surely there is a great philosophical quote someone can input here regarding the endless wants of man?
     
  6. Pawz

    Pawz Senior member

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    A fool and his money are soon parted? ...No, that's a proverb.

    Um...

    The wealthiest among us is not he who has the most, but he who needs the least? ...No, that pertains to wealth.

    Don’t wear yourself out trying to get rich. Be wise enough to know when to quit. ...Another proverb, but it suffices.
     
  7. Holdfast

    Holdfast Senior member

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    If it progresses, the themes raised by this thread will undoubtedly being to parallel the recent consumption thread started by (IIRC) bourbonbasted.

    I have little to add, therefore, apart from to say that need and want are in my opinion very different beasts, and rightly so. There will almost certainly come a point where you feel that you don't need any more clothes. It actually arrives fairly soon. But you will probably still want them, because if you're interested enough in clothes to be posting here on a semi-regular basis, you obviousy consider them fun and it's at least partly a hobby for you. I don't really think it's much different whether you keep the total number of items the same but keep upgrading them, or keep adding more breadth; it's the same principle of enjoying clothes, simply in different forms.
     
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  8. VinnyMac

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    Yes, I have enough right now. If I wanted, I could buy more, but it wouldn't add much to my wardrobe. I have everything that I need for any occasion that I'm likely to encounter. Anything else would probably just be an impulse buy...not my style. I'd rather keep those few K in the bank.
     
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  9. Stugotes

    Stugotes Senior member

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    This is interesting, as it's an answer I was hoping to find. To have what you need and considering other items merely as "fun" possibilities to expand your wardrobe. That is probably the situation most people here strive for. Or not? I think I do.

    My original idea for this thread came from the thought that I might look back one day and realize that I've spend a years income on my wardrobe alone. And that it might not suffice even then. It's not that I'm frightened by that concept, just wondering if I'll easily be able to move on to other things to spend my money on. Will there be a moment when I pay for the last suit I ever need and think "Ok, that's it then. Off to the Lambo dealer!"?


    Interesting thoughts! I didn't consider replacing worn out items (e.g. shirts) the same as enjoying new ones yet... which makes sense, as the replacements could be different/new/fun.
     
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  10. Ianiceman

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    It's an interesting question that's been posed before on here. When I see a picture of a closet like Vox's and hear that he's still commissioning more bespoke suits and jackets, I wonder at what point you get to saturation beyond being spilt for choice. Do you wear the navy SB worsted, the nevy DB worsted, the navy patch pocket worsted, the neavy hopsack, the navy fresco, the navy linen, the navy wool silk mix, the naxy houndstooth ...

    I have enough for now so I've imposed a one out one in policy so it won't get wider, but hopefully better by degrees.
     
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    I also think that (speaking for myself) it's easier to get instant gratification from easier accessible items (= less expensive) so I tend to get a lot of ties, pocket quares etc. many of which aren't used very often, and I think if I would knock it off with this kind of thing and be more patient I'd be some way towards having saved up for a bespoke commission.

    One of my favourite posters was TC Houston, (always had great pics in WAYWRN) who said that after some time fine tuning of his style on SF he had realised that he always favoured a small selection of suits and sport coats so he ditched a load of stuff now that he had found his 'uniform'. I try to think similarly but I'm not there yet!
     
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  12. Willin

    Willin Senior member

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    I think I will be able to reach a plateau once I obtain the necessary items to be able to dress reasonably within Good Taste[​IMG].

    I personally think it's masculine to have key items that you can wear day in and day out with various ensembles. I personally would feel odd to have a closet full of an extraordinarily wide array of clothes to wear. For me the goal is to eventually always be able to dress sharply while not being too eccentric. I don't think a huge closet of clothes would suit my blue collar sentimentalities but to each his own.
     
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    I know I'll always like ordering something new so I take my time and order very few things. That way, there's always something that needs replacing.
     
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    I look at clothing like food -- consume it and, well you know the rest
     
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  15. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There is something to be said for self-imposed constraints. With fewer things, you are forced to be more thoughtful and use them to greater effect. Hence, it is possible to be more expressive with a less expansive wardrobe. The OneShoe was an idea partially born of such thinking.
     
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  16. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Is that why so much in WAYWRN looks like shit?

    Sorry couldn't help myself.
     
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    See related thread: Bespoke Overload
    :bigstar:
     
  18. bourbonbasted

    bourbonbasted Senior member

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    There's a definite evolution on this forum (and, really, with any other hobby):

    1. See something (outside forum)
    2. Become interested
    3. Look for/ask people who you think know what they're talking about (join forum)
    4. Begin learning for yourself
    5. Formulate your own opinions
    6. Defend your own opinions
    7. Opinion becomes law for those in step 3
    8. Boredom/disinterest (leave forum)

    The above cycle can take months or years, depending on level of interest and the luxury of time and disposable income. For some they'll realize "Okay, I just need X, Y, Z" and they go out and buy it or have it made. However, make no mistake, to even approach "having enough," you need to go some iteration of the above evolution (assuming you actually care at all).

    There are very few people in the 8th step that are still on the forum. They either graduate from the i-Gent circle or begin shifting their attention elsewhere. Personally, I decided to learn about clothes with the full intention of acting on my education down the road, when I have the money and/or the job to truly embrace what I've learned.

    So, for me, "having enough" is less about tangible items and more about gaining insight and understanding. And to that end, there is certainly a point when I'll reach the "enough is enough" point. I'm likely not that far.
     
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  19. Willin

    Willin Senior member

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    Agreed. There's a certain masculine romanticism with a wardrobe that is carefully curated and broken-in (as opposed to worn-out) that is identifiable with an individual. I think that is the pinnacle of good style for me.
     
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  20. VinnyMac

    VinnyMac Senior member

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    That's a very interesting idea. I think that I went through each of those 8 steps fairly quickly. I was gone for about a month or two, and I recently popped back in because I had PM's. In all honesty, the few posts that I've made since then have been more fluffy than substantive, so I'll probably be gone again soon. I think that I've reached the point of "enough" knowledge and "enough" clothing.
     

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