Do the made in china ones still say 'Made in England' refering to the brand being from england or will it actually say made in china somewhere on them because I have no Idea which are the ones I got. The MIE ones have "Made in England" on the sole and inside the shoe. On mine the size is printed inside the shoe as US men's size. Subtract one to get the US women's size, add one to get the UK size. I am 5'4". Incidentally I am wearing my black 3-hole DMs today. The look like the ones SuperBobo posted on the first page.