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Do you think it is bad form for a tailoring house to publish details of its "celebrity" client list?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by David Reeves, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. Nicola

    Nicola Senior member

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    Are they paying customers? Or are they being given free/discounted clothing?

    If somebody is allowing you to use their name I assume they're getting something back.
     
  2. cold war painter

    cold war painter Senior member

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    I wouldn't be too happy if my tailor disclosed details of my orders, or even the fact that I was their client, without my permission. I'm no one special, but perhaps I might have my own reasons for wanting these things kept quiet. Like Holdfast I'm in a profession where confidentiality is key, so maybe that affects my thinking.

    Also, there is a certain level of intimacy with a bespoke tailor. Standing under a practised eye for first measurements can be quite intimidating - there is nowhere to hide. Later in the relationship what you order, when and how all provide insight into your character and situation.

    So I feel I am owed a certain amount of privacy by my tailor. (FWIW, they've always seemed very discreet.) Conversely I would be almost completely not bothered if I bought a particular designer's piece of RTW clothing and that got talked about.
     
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  3. Hacking jacket

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  4. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    I would say though if they are being paid then that diminishes the endorsement.
     
  5. Bounder

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    FTFY

    Even then.

    Famous Faces at Betty Ford Clinic
     
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    :eh:
     
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    Going back to the first post, I think it's good for them. For example, here in Mexico the most famous tailor is Antonio Solito. He's famouse cause he makes most of the suits for our Presidents. That is not that cool. But he also have as a client, Luis Miguel, who is one of the most recognized singers. And there you can see the hands that make his suit. It's a gorgeous suit (design and construction, cause he uses black, a color not very accepted here) but I would love to have a suit made by them.

    In fact my suit, I'm going to purchase it from them, just becuase of that... and becuase I want the same design he uses, and they told me that was no porblem, only the shirts, they cannot make the same shirts they make for him, to public in general.
     
  8. Holdfast

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  9. Loathing

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    I think it's crass. Most of the respectable SR tailors don't do it.
     
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  10. JayJay

    JayJay Senior member

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    I feel the say way, and apply this to tailors as well as other merchants. I have had merchants use my name as a way to entice my colleagues and others to make purchases, which prompted me to stop doing so.
     
  11. cold war painter

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    I read the article, perhaps I'm being obtuse but I didn't see where it talks about SR tailors publishing details of their client lists? They associate certain people with certain tailors but no mention of how they found out and many seem common knowledge.

    (I see they mention "Michael Jackson" for Gieves .. I wonder if that's the pop star or the former Chief of General Staff?)
     
  12. David Reeves

    David Reeves Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    Things get leaked by staff on purpose or just through gossip. PR firms attached to companies publicize/leak things, that's how it gets out. If they didn't do this no one would ever know, unless the "celeb" talked about it which rarely happens in my experience.

    Speaking about my OP, by saying publicise I mean in any way, as in not maintaining absolute secrecy. That could be anything from a signed photo on a desk, to an advert in the Times or a Tweet.

    If permission is given is it still in bad taste?
     
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  13. Brossian Wingor

    Brossian Wingor Well-Known Member

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    I know I don't base my clothing decisions on what celebrities wear.
     
  14. comrade

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    It's not even called Chipp anymore- unless they revived their old name.
    It is Winston Tailors. I am a former Chipp customer. I love their clothing-
    RTW ( no loner available) and MTM. Stopped shopping there when I moved
    to Califonia and didn't get to New York much. Twenty years ago when I
    shopped there, I can't recall JFK ever being mentioned, although
    Walter Wriston was.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Wriston
     
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  15. archibaldleach

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    If their publicist leaks it or you have a signed photo, I don't see an issue with that. The key to me is that you should not be the one leaking it. Also, if you get a signed photo, let it be and don't try to create a campaign around it. People who come in with an eye to detail will notice it and do with it what they will.

    The best advertising a tailor can get is true word of mouth from enthusiastic customers. As long as you don't forget that, having a signed photo or two or being noticed for providing tailoring services to a certain celebrity otherwise is perfectly okay in my book.
     
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    David-

    FWiW, in several conversations with Frank, he has NEVER given me names of his clients, and we've evolved into friends, not just customer/client. It came up one time in conversation when I asked him who his clients were, and his answer was very general. I then asked about athletes, and he said, "Hockey players, basketball players, baseball players and a few football players." As a HUGE hockey fan, I asked him which players, and he clearly got uncomfortable so I immediately said, "Don't worry about it man, I understand," and left it at that.

    I'm not sure how i feel about the practice, but I respect either way.
     
  17. Hacking jacket

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    I am not sure confidentiality is really as tight as what is being talked up here. My shirtmaker started kitting out movie sets in period shirts after an order from a famous US movie star. I would never have known until one day I asked 'are those your kids?' in a photograph with the megastar.

    Generally if you get to know a tailor or shirtmaker personally over a long period inside knowledge is inevitable and without it you wouldn't maintain a strong client loyalty (its like women going to the hairdresser, I chat about what I do, they chat about what they do and thats what you expect).
     
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  18. Hacking jacket

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    It's in the "famous clients" section, eg Prince William, Colin Firth, Robbie Williams, David Niven, Peter Sellers, Michael Jackson for Gieves and Hawkes (are you inferring Prince William, Colin Firth, Robbie Williams, David Niven, Peter Sellers are not famous??)

    Norton and sons will not list living clients but cite Edward VII, Winston Churchill, Cary Grant and Alexander McQueen. Richard James has Beckham (from memory).
     
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  19. emptym

    emptym Senior member Moderator

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    In his book, Richard Anderson writes this:
    I agree with this. Most people don't like being used. And disclosing a customer's name w/o their consent is using the person imo.
     
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  20. JayJay

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    Kudos to Frank. Much respect for him.
     

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