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do you smoke weed?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by lennon420, Sep 13, 2008.

  1. PARTY

    PARTY Senior member

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    The rule of Weed Club is, you don't talk about Weed Club.
    Someone broke a cardinal rule.
     
  2. lennon420

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    i feel sorry for the idiots who think smoking weed is more harmful than drinking alcohol. while smoking anything cant be too good for your lungs you could vaporize weed which will decrease any harmful effects that weed can do to your lungs. also please find me a study from a valid source that PROVES weed can kill braincells, causes cancer, kills people, and anything else your 5th grade teacher told you. you people are very ignorant and are living in the reefer madness days.
     
  3. West24

    West24 Senior member

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    you are stupid^i agree some people go overboard with the weed being bad etc, but it most definately kills brain cells and can cause cancer. dont be a dumbass! dumbass!
     
  4. antirabbit

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    Actually, it does very little to your brain. I do know that alcohol kills exponentially more people than marijuana, and is far more damaging to your body. Talk about being a moron.

    Ok, I bow down to your expertise in Neuroscience, I am a moron.

    (hint, it has to do with the soluability of THC in water vs. the soluability of THC in lipids you dumb ass...)

    In humans, psychoactive cannabinoids produce euphoria, enhancement of sensory perception, tachycardia, antinociception, difficulties in concentration and impairment of memory. The cognitive deficiencies seem to persist after withdrawal. The toxicity of marijuana has been underestimated for a long time, since recent findings revealed Δ9-THC-induced cell death with shrinkage of neurons and DNA fragmentation in the hippocampus.

    The acute effects of cannabinoids as well as the development of tolerance are mediated by G protein-coupled cannabinoid receptors. The CB1 receptor and its splice variant CB1A, are found predominantly in the brain with highest densitities in the hippocampus, cerebellum and striatum.

    The CB2 receptor is found predominantly in the spleen and in haemopoietic cells and has only 44% overall nucleotide sequence identity with the CB1 receptor. The existence of this receptor provided the molecular basis for the immunosuppressive actions of marijuana. The CB1 receptor mediates inhibition of adenylate cyclase, inhibition of N- and P/Q-type calcium channels, stimulation of potassium channels, and activation of mitogen-activated protein kinase. The CB2 receptor mediates inhibition of adenylate cyclase and activation of mitogen-activated protein kinase.

    The discovery of endogenous cannabinoid receptor ligands, anandamide (N-arachidonylethanolamine) and 2-arachidonylglycerol made the notion of a central cannabinoid neuromodulatory system plausible. Anandamide is released from neurons upon depolarization through a mechanism that requires calcium-dependent cleavage from a phospholipid precursor in neuronal membranes. The release of anandamide is followed by rapid uptake into the plasma and hydrolysis by fatty-acid amidohydrolase.

    The psychoactive cannabinoids increase the activity of dopaminergic neurons in the ventral tegmental area-mesolimbic pathway. Since these dopaminergic circuits are known to play a pivotal role in mediating the reinforcing (rewarding) effects of the most drugs of abuse, the enhanced dopaminergic drive elicited by the cannabinoids is thought to underlie the reinforcing and abuse properties of marijuana.

    Thus, cannabinoids share a final common neuronal action with other major drugs of abuse such as morphine, ethanol and nicotine in producing facilitation of the mesolimibic dopamine system.

    Sounds great...huh?
     
  5. lennon420

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    Ok, I bow down to your expertise in Neuroscience, I am a moron.

    (hint, it has to do with the soluability of THC in water vs. the soluability of THC in lipids you dumb ass...)

    In humans, psychoactive cannabinoids produce euphoria, enhancement of sensory perception, tachycardia, antinociception, difficulties in concentration and impairment of memory. The cognitive deficiencies seem to persist after withdrawal. The toxicity of marijuana has been underestimated for a long time, since recent findings revealed Δ9-THC-induced cell death with shrinkage of neurons and DNA fragmentation in the hippocampus.

    The acute effects of cannabinoids as well as the development of tolerance are mediated by G protein-coupled cannabinoid receptors. The CB1 receptor and its splice variant CB1A, are found predominantly in the brain with highest densitities in the hippocampus, cerebellum and striatum.

    The CB2 receptor is found predominantly in the spleen and in haemopoietic cells and has only 44% overall nucleotide sequence identity with the CB1 receptor. The existence of this receptor provided the molecular basis for the immunosuppressive actions of marijuana. The CB1 receptor mediates inhibition of adenylate cyclase, inhibition of N- and P/Q-type calcium channels, stimulation of potassium channels, and activation of mitogen-activated protein kinase. The CB2 receptor mediates inhibition of adenylate cyclase and activation of mitogen-activated protein kinase.

    The discovery of endogenous cannabinoid receptor ligands, anandamide (N-arachidonylethanolamine) and 2-arachidonylglycerol made the notion of a central cannabinoid neuromodulatory system plausible. Anandamide is released from neurons upon depolarization through a mechanism that requires calcium-dependent cleavage from a phospholipid precursor in neuronal membranes. The release of anandamide is followed by rapid uptake into the plasma and hydrolysis by fatty-acid amidohydrolase.

    The psychoactive cannabinoids increase the activity of dopaminergic neurons in the ventral tegmental area-mesolimbic pathway. Since these dopaminergic circuits are known to play a pivotal role in mediating the reinforcing (rewarding) effects of the most drugs of abuse, the enhanced dopaminergic drive elicited by the cannabinoids is thought to underlie the reinforcing and abuse properties of marijuana.

    Thus, cannabinoids share a final common neuronal action with other major drugs of abuse such as morphine, ethanol and nicotine in producing facilitation of the mesolimibic dopamine system.

    Sounds great...huh?

    um that means nothing without a good source and the guy who said it causes cancer and kills braincells find a study thats from a good source that says exactly that. they dont even say that bs on the www.abovetheinfluence.com website anymore lmao
     
  6. antirabbit

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    Sorry Lenon420, the world is flat, and smoking dope is good for you.
    The biochemists are wrong and you are right.
     
  7. lennon420

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    Sorry Lenon420, the world is flat, and smoking dope is good for you.
    The biochemists are wrong and you are right.

    im not saying its good for you but you dont know what your talking about if you say it causes this and that! im just saying if all this were true wouldnt these studies be plastered everywhere like with cigarettes?
     
  8. antirabbit

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    essentially, it has both good and bad effects:
    It is as bad as smoking cigarettes as far as carcinogens
    The reason that cigarettes are so spoken of is they are legal and there are marketing campaigns built around their consumption.
    Weed does not and thus is not subject to the same level of scrutiny.
    If it were and sold in every gas station, grocery store, and 7 eleven, believe me it would.

    Weed is good in certain cases, and of course it is great as an illicit drug, but certainly is not something to be thought of as harmless.
     
  9. redcaimen

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    Weed is almost certainly not good for you physically and when you consider its (rather pleasant) psychological effects, its really not much of a stretch to suspect it may have lasting neurological consequences. Like booze, some people can partake and not end screwed up and others cant. The only thing sadder than an underemployed 40 year old stoner with the mindset of a 14 year old boy is a 40 year old desperate, alienated alcoholic. I like both weed and wine, but with the exception of a recent memorable weed experience I now confine myself to a glass of after dinner wine.

    I prefer to think of those portions of my brain that have been seriously compromised as territory temporarily annexed by Satan that will be returned to me prior to the rapture.
     
  10. Huntsman

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    um that means nothing without a good source and the guy who said it causes cancer and kills braincells find a study thats from a good source that says exactly that. they dont even say that bs on the www.abovetheinfluence.com website anymore lmao
    They don't say stuff like ^^ that on abovetheinfluence because nobody there would understand it.
     
  11. dl20

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    i smoke pretty much everyday and i was wondering if anyone else here smoked herb

    are you being serious? i hate how people who drink everyday think they're better then people who smoke. have fun getting liver disease and being a drunk disorderly idiot!

    i feel sorry for the idiots who think smoking weed is more harmful than drinking alcohol. while smoking anything cant be too good for your lungs you could vaporize weed which will decrease any harmful effects that weed can do to your lungs. also please find me a study from a valid source that PROVES weed can kill braincells, causes cancer, kills people, and anything else your 5th grade teacher told you. you people are very ignorant and are living in the reefer madness days.

    um that means nothing without a good source and the guy who said it causes cancer and kills braincells find a study thats from a good source that says exactly that. they dont even say that bs on the www.abovetheinfluence.com website anymore lmao

    im not saying its good for you but you dont know what your talking about if you say it causes this and that! im just saying if all this were true wouldnt these studies be plastered everywhere like with cigarettes?

    Do we really need biochemists to tell us that smoking weed kills brain cells?

    dl
     
  12. Huntsman

    Huntsman Senior member

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  13. sologigolos

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    in high school, a certain friend of mine:
    smoked once every couple months during freshmen+sophomore year and had around a 3.0
    smoked bimonthly during junior and senior year and brought it up to a 3.3ish
    and got himself to a top 10 school

    where:
    smoked once a month-ish during freshmen+sophomore year andhad around 2.8
    smoked weekly, if not daily, during junior+senior year and had around a 3.4
    and got himself to a top 10 law school

    so, of course, while there must have been other factors in his GPA trend, and thus does not conclusively prove that his academic success is a causal effect of weed,

    it's silly to say that "if you smoke = you're a good for nothing bum"
     
  14. Augusto86

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    are you being serious? i hate how people who drink everyday think they're better then people who smoke. have fun getting liver disease and being a drunk disorderly idiot!

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    Hello, hello. my names terry and Im a law abider
    Theres nothing I like more than getting fired up on beer
    And when the weekends here I to exercise my right to get paralytic and fight
    Good bloke fairly
    But I get well leery when geezers look at me funny
    Bounce em round like bunnies
    Im likely to cause mischief
    Good clean grief you must believe and I aint no thief.
    Law abiding and all, all legal.
    And who cares about my liver when it feels good
    Wwhat you need is some real manhood.
    Rasher rasher barney and kasha putting peoples backs up.
    Public disorder, Ill give you public disorder.
    I down eight pints and run all over the place
    Spit in the face of an officer
    See if that bothers you cause I never broke a law in my life
    Someday Im gonna settle down with a wife
    Come on lads lets have another fight

    Eh hello. my names tim and Im a criminal,
    In the eyes of society I need to be in jail
    For the choice of herbs I inhale.
    This aint no wholesale operation
    Just a few eighths and some playstations mys vocation
    I pose a threat to the nation
    And down the station the police hold no patients
    Lets talk space and time
    I like to get deep sometimes and think about einstein
    And carl young and old kung fu movies I like to see
    Pass the hydrator please
    Yeah Im floating on thin air.
    Going to amsterdam in the new year - top gear there
    Cause I taker pride in my hobby
    Home made bongs using my engineering degree
    Dear leaders, please legalise weed for these reasons.

    Like I was saying to him.
    I told him: top with me and you wont leave.
    So I smacked him in the head and downed another carling
    Bada bada bing for the lads night.
    Mad fight, his faces a sad sight.
    Vodka and snake bite.
    Going on like a right geez, hes a twat,
    Shouldnt have looked at me like that.
    Anyway Im an upstanding citizen
    If a war came along Id be on the front line with em.
    Cant stand crime either them hooligans on heroin.
    Drugs and criminals those thugs on the penny coloured will be the downfall of society
    Ive got all the anger pent up inside of me.

    You know I dont see why I should be the criminal
    How can something with no recorded fatalities be illegal
    And how many deaths are there per year from alcohol
    I just completed gran tourismo on the hardest setting
    We pose no threat on my settee
    Ooh the pizzas here will someone let him in please
    We didnt order chicken, not a problem well pick it out
    I doubt they meant to mess us about
    After all were all adults not louts.
    As I was saying, were friendly peaceful people
    Were not the ones out there causing trouble.
    We just sit in this hazy bubble with our quarters
    Discussing how beautiful gail porter is.
    Mtv, bbc 2, channel 4 is on until six in the morning.
    Then at six in the morning the sun dawns and its my bedtime.

    Causing trouble, your stinking rabble
    Boys saying Im the lad whos spoiling it
    Youre on drugs it really bugs me when people try and tell me Im a thug
    Just for getting drunk
    I like getting drunk
    Cause Im an upstanding citizen
    If a war came along Id be on the front line with em.

    Now terry youre repeating yourself
    But thats okay drunk people cant help that.
    A chemical reaction inside your brain causes you to forget what youre saying.

    What. I know exactly what Im saying
    Im perfectly sane
    You stinking student lameo
    Go get a job and stop robbing us of our taxes.

    Err, well actually according to research
    Government funding for further education pales in insignificance
    When compared to how much they spend on repairing
    Leery drunk people at the weekend
    In casualty wards all over the land.

    Why you cheeky little swine come here
    Im gonna batter you. come here.
     
  15. Piobaire

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    im not saying its good for you but you dont know what your talking about if you say it causes this and that! im just saying if all this were true wouldnt these studies be plastered everywhere like with cigarettes?

    How can you logically and consistently say:

    a) it is not good for you yet

    b) doesn't cause "this and that"?

    It would seem if something were not good for you, there would be indeed negative side effects, no? Perhaps you should put down the bong and ponder that one. And for Christ's sake:

    THE FIRST RULE OF WEED CLUB IS: DO NOT TALK ABOUT WEED CLUB.

    This holds true for all people over 15.
     
  16. redcaimen

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    If by this you mean to say that alcohol is a far worse scourge to our society I would have to agree with you. More health problems, more dead people, more innocent people hurt.
     
  17. West24

    West24 Senior member

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    in high school, a certain friend of mine:
    smoked once every couple months during freshmen+sophomore year and had around a 3.0
    smoked bimonthly during junior and senior year and brought it up to a 3.3ish
    and got himself to a top 10 school

    where:
    smoked once a month-ish during freshmen+sophomore year andhad around 2.8
    smoked weekly, if not daily, during junior+senior year and had around a 3.4
    and got himself to a top 10 law school

    so, of course, while there must have been other factors in his GPA trend, and thus does not conclusively prove that his academic success is a causal effect of weed,

    it's silly to say that "if you smoke = you're a good for nothing bum"


    noone is really saying that. just talking about losers who brag about it. many people i know dads smoke weed, and many of them are very successful.
     
  18. Kohan

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    Do you know what happens if you never drink, never smoke, eat all-organic free-range asparagus, exercise regularly, floss every day, and pet a kitten three times a week for blood pressure?

    You die healthy.

    Yes, smoking weed can be bad for you. Generally, most things that make you feel really good are bad for you. But if you've never tried it, don't bother pretending to be an expert on its "catastrophic affects"--it gets really annoying, and only makes you look like an ass. If you have smoked, or still do, that doesn't make it wonderful and great for everybody all the time. Yes, it's a drug. Yes, it does some damage. Yes, it can be astronomically fun, and No, it's not worth anyone getting upset about so long as you're not actively engaging in criminal activity to get it.

    Do it, or don't. Leave people to their vices, and worry about the ten thousand things you could fix in your own lives. Hypocricy is annoying.
     
  19. VKK3450

    VKK3450 Senior member

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    Dewd

    lennon, why are you here?

    K
     
  20. Beta

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    in high school, a certain friend of mine:
    smoked once every couple months during freshmen+sophomore year and had around a 3.0
    smoked bimonthly during junior and senior year and brought it up to a 3.3ish
    and got himself to a top 10 school

    where:
    smoked once a month-ish during freshmen+sophomore year andhad around 2.8
    smoked weekly, if not daily, during junior+senior year and had around a 3.4
    and got himself to a top 10 law school

    so, of course, while there must have been other factors in his GPA trend, and thus does not conclusively prove that his academic success is a causal effect of weed,

    it's silly to say that "if you smoke = you're a good for nothing bum"


    I have witnessed this dozens of times myself...It happened to a former good friend of mine, but in the reverse order. Enough to make it not interest me. Im not judging, I just have a impression in my mind that its just a bit gross, unclassy and looserish, so I dont hang out with people that do it. no big deal.
     

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