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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by VMan, Mar 13, 2006.

  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    Communists and socialists are two different animals. Socialists can and do achieve power through elections. As to this: "The Communist Party as a legitimate, government condoned politic is rather absurd since it panders to almost nothing of an original diktat." I have no idea what it means. More fodder for the Brown tenure committee?
    Yes, I am aware of that distinction. Some of the Scandinavian nations are Socialist. To dissect the sentence, I meant that Communism as a government condoned body politic is absurd in the sense that it isn't true to its original intent and ideology.
     
  2. linux_pro

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    Yes, I am aware of that distinction. Some of the Scandinavian nations are Socialist.

    To dissect the sentence, I meant that Communism as a government condoned body politic is absurd in the sense that it isn't true to its original intent and ideology.



    Chile has just elected a female socialist "president." Their government could now be considered socialist again.

    Socialism is on the rise again throughout much of Latin America. The USA's influence and reputation in Latin America has been extraordinarily negative since Kissinger's era, and it is doubtful that will change anytime soon. It is an outright hatred of US politics and capitalism (and the carnage that it created) that has led to a recent surge in pro-socialist (and anti-US) politics in Latin America.

    It's worth noting that the Latin American history of socialism differs quite strongly from that of the USSR and China. Most Americans are unaware of the history of socialism in Latin America however. And it is rarely, if ever, mentioned as an example of modern socialism in practice.

    Also, you forgot to mention that most of western Europe was led by socialist ideals, and socialist governments, throughout much of the latter half of the 20th Century. It's interesting to note that when discussing historical examples of socialism, countries such as England, France and Denmark (for example) are rarely discussed. This is hardly a balanced, or even educated, view of modern socialism.
     
  3. Lucky Strike

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    Also, you forgot to mention that most of western Europe was led by socialist ideals, and socialist governments, throughout much of the latter half of the 20th Century. It's interesting to note that when discussing historical examples of socialism, countries such as England, France and Denmark (for example) are rarely discussed. This is hardly a balanced, or even educated, view of modern socialism.


    I don't really know enough about South America to discuss the political history there - but when it comes to Scandinavia and others, I think you also have to distinguish between socialism and social democracy as different approaches.

    This is not mere semantics - the "democracy" bit relates to participating in elections, and working within and on the conditions of an existing political system.

    Many European socialist/leftist groups have chosen to organise themselves as pressure groups or other associations rather than political parties, precisely because they don't want to be "corrupted" by participating in the existing sysems.
     
  4. Lucky Strike

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    Well - back to cannabis - I just had a practical refresher course in how they do it in Amsterdam, and it actually seems to work well.

    In reality, cannabis in all its forms and permutations is as available as alcohol, and priced at roughly $4 per joint. The five gramme maximum per customer is really pointless, as the "coffeeshops" are absolutely anywhere. The customers seem to be just regular people, with a certain overrepresentation of tourists and students or both.
     
  5. whoopee

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    Yes, the Amsterdam practice seems healthier than the smoke-till-you-drop-off-a-g-bong approach in the United States. Smoking joints casually like cigarettes is more common, and it is always funny to see a tourist try their first spacecake AND weed - and do nothing else.
     
  6. Lucky Strike

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    ... it is always funny to see a tourist try their first spacecake AND weed - and do nothing else.

    Oh yes, the first time I saw that (on my first trip there, ten years ago), I actually couldn't stop laughing.

    Ahem.
     
  7. Brian SD

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    huh. Im surprised more people don't smoke. I smoke occasionally.
     
  8. VMan

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    A (very lucky) friend who spent a week in Amsterdam last spring told me that what they sell as mid-grade bud over there (about $30 an eighth) was far better than the best designer buds he has smoked in the US, at about $60-75 an eighth.

    Though I read in High Times that the main draw is the availability of many different strains in one shop, not to mention the legality of it. The author of the article actually thought that Cali bud was better than what he had in Amsterdam.
     
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    A (very lucky) friend who spent a week in Amsterdam last spring told me that what they sell as mid-grade bud over there (about $30 an eighth) was far better than the best designer buds he has smoked in the US, at about $60-75 an eighth.

    Though I read in High Times that the main draw is the availability of many different strains in one shop, not to mention the legality of it. The author of the article actually thought that Cali bud was better than what he had in Amsterdam.


    good weed over here comes from mostly Humbolt or Mexico. At least as far as I know. The Cannibis club stuff is *really good*
     
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    I think you also have to distinguish between socialism and social democracy as different approaches.

    This is not mere semantics - the "democracy" bit relates to participating in elections, and working within and on the conditions of an existing political system.

    I don't really think that is an issue. The social-democrat parties such as SPD in Germany or the socialist Parties such as PS in France are all members of the 2nd International and share a lot of common characteristics in practice.

    In France, LÃ[​IMG]on Blum was advocating exercising power whithin the bounds of the current political system as early as 1936 (a distinction between "conquest" of the power and "exercise" of the power), long before most socialist parties abandoned any reference to marxism and started to call themselves "social democrats".
     
  11. whoopee

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    Club bud varies from place to place. Definitely very good, though. They also sell THC pills, laced candy bars, and the like.

    Neither do all coffeeshops serve the best quality. Most of it is quite potent, certainly above-average for the US or UK, but because of heavy commercial production, turned out in conditions that do not allow for the greatest complexity. I am only a casual user and do not obsess. But I do know those that have the breadth of experience and they tell me that the best weed is available anywhere given one has the money and connections.
     
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    Here's an idea for some ebay entrepreneurs...

    Start up a line of high-end designer clothing made from hemp. Make it in China for low price. Sell it for high price on ebay. Why will buyers purchase this? For the fancy brand name, and for the little 'treat' in the pocket.
     
  13. LabelKing

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    Chile has just elected a female socialist "president." Their government could now be considered socialist again.

    Socialism is on the rise again throughout much of Latin America. The USA's influence and reputation in Latin America has been extraordinarily negative since Kissinger's era, and it is doubtful that will change anytime soon. It is an outright hatred of US politics and capitalism (and the carnage that it created) that has led to a recent surge in pro-socialist (and anti-US) politics in Latin America.

    It's worth noting that the Latin American history of socialism differs quite strongly from that of the USSR and China. Most Americans are unaware of the history of socialism in Latin America however. And it is rarely, if ever, mentioned as an example of modern socialism in practice.

    Also, you forgot to mention that most of western Europe was led by socialist ideals, and socialist governments, throughout much of the latter half of the 20th Century. It's interesting to note that when discussing historical examples of socialism, countries such as England, France and Denmark (for example) are rarely discussed. This is hardly a balanced, or even educated, view of modern socialism.


    I was not talking about Socialism proper; my emphasis was more on Communism, which tends to be a much more radical dogma.

    As for Latin America their governments have a history of polarization. One generation is a monarchy, i.e. Braganza Brazil and then it is some Fascist derived system, i.e. the Peron regime.
     
  14. LabelKing

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    Yes, the Amsterdam practice seems healthier than the smoke-till-you-drop-off-a-g-bong approach in the United States. Smoking joints casually like cigarettes is more common, and it is always funny to see a tourist try their first spacecake AND weed - and do nothing else.
    Anything illegal, especially substances, makes for flagrant misuse and possibly absue.
     
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    Club bud varies from place to place. Definitely very good, though. They also sell THC pills, laced candy bars, and the like.

    Neither do all coffeeshops serve the best quality. Most of it is quite potent, certainly above-average for the US or UK, but because of heavy commercial production, turned out in conditions that do not allow for the greatest complexity. I am only a casual user and do not obsess. But I do know those that have the breadth of experience and they tell me that the best weed is available anywhere given one has the money and connections.

    How about some BC reviews? I went up there one time in college and we "had coffee" and the major point of the next few hours that I remember was that it took us about 20 minutes to figure out how to divvy up a taxi fare between three of us, for a 7-8 minute ride. Not even sure why we felt we needed to divide it up in the first place. Yo, Canadian money is con FUSING, mann!

    That said, I don't miss it at all. A not-insignificant part of my high school life was wasted directly or indirectly due to the evil weed. I would have to be really, really drunk to even consider sparking up again.
     
  16. whoopee

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    I've never been to Vancouver or BC in that sense, but do remember when I attended a college near the border in New England, Canadian crop was considerably danker than Mexican.

    Personally I see many more harmful incidents arise due to alcohol than marijuana. It's no contest. Some people I know are truly preferable stoned than drunk or even sober. But like most pleasurable things it's not hard to overdo it.
     
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    Real Marxists work for the advancement of robots.

    I envision a "˜Metropolis'-like world.

    [​IMG]

    Jon.
     
  18. Quirk

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    I have never understood how people could even stand the smell.
     
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    I have never understood how people could even stand the smell.

    Yeah, I'm not partial to the smell either. Personally, I think tobacco smells better (in contrast) than cannabis.

    Jon.
     
  20. tiger02

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    l'll tell you a funny storey. l went to my sisters 15 minutes away for a party, we had bongs etc (really strong shit). On my way home l got completely confused and drove to another state, it took 5 hours to find my way home which was only 15 minutes away. [​IMG]
    Thank you for confirming my suspicions. I like to end up in the wrong state with a clear mind [​IMG]
     

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