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Do you non-Ivy Leaguers feel inadequate?

Discussion in 'Business, Careers & Education' started by Connemara, Mar 24, 2008.

  1. CTGuy

    CTGuy Senior member

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    This attitude is no improvement over the snobbery of some Ivy Leaguers--both are sadly removed from reality. The truth is that Ivy League schools are good schools that many people want to go to; they can afford to be selective. It only makes sense that the students will generally be more academically talented. For you to dismiss Ivy League students as nothing but richer versions of non-Ivy students is conveniently presumptive in your favor, and, frankly, ignorant.
    HA! You went to an Ivy right? I totally dismiss your point. It stings no? Why not just stand on your own intelligence? Who cares where you went to school? Either you're talented and intelligent or you're not-- who gives a shit where you went to school? Most likely there are more talented people at state colleges in greater numbers simply by virtue of statistics.
     
  2. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    HA! You went to an Ivy right? I totally dismiss your point. It stings no?

    This is just sad. You think I should be stung because you dimissed my point without reason. A yo' mama joke woud have been as effective.
     
  3. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    At Cal, some of us were terribly envious of Stanford. Grade inflation ... you could drop classes 24 hours before the final ... no over-enrollment ... parking ... less chance of life threatening injury from crazy people ... Heaven!
     
  4. CTGuy

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    This is just sad. You think I should be stung because you dimissed my point without reason. A yo' mama joke woud have been as effective.
    The point is-- I could care less what rationalization you have. You're not better, smarter, or in any way superior to someone who went to a state college (for the record, I didn't). I guess that stings because you've got so much stock in the fact that somehow you're superior because you went to a particular presitigious school, but most likely there's a large group of people out there more successful than you that didn't have the pricey education. For the record WERE your parents upper middle class? In the interest of full disclosure....
     
  5. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    At Cal, some of us were terribly envious of Stanford. Grade inflation ... you could drop classes 24 hours before the final ... no over-enrollment ... parking ... less chance of life threatening injury from crazy people ... Heaven!

    Apparently, Harvard has a very comprehensive safety net for students whose grades drop. They bring in deans and counselors to make everything better. Perhaps a Harvard student/alum can comment. Brown was grade-cushy, but not that cushy--well, except for the fact that we could elect not to be graded [​IMG].
     
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    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The point is-- I couldn't care less what rationalization you have.
    Argh! Fixed. I wish I could say that if you'd gone to an Ivy you wouldn't make that mistake, but you would anyway.

    For the record, I'm staying out of the little "Rumble in the Jungle" you and mafoofran are having.
     
  7. mafoofan

    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The point is-- I could care less what rationalization you have.

    This really does not help the case for Ivy/non-Ivy parity . . .
     
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    imageWIS Senior member

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    well, except for the fact that we could elect not to be graded [​IMG].

    Wait...what???

    Jon.
     
  9. CTGuy

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    Argh! Fixed. I wish I could say that if you'd gone to an Ivy you wouldn't make that mistake, but you would anyway.

    For the record, I'm staying out of the little "Rumble in the Jungle" you and mafoofran are having.


    Oh wow-- thanks grammar police! You're so cool!
     
  10. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Wait...what???

    Jon.


    Don't worry about it Jon. If you were smart enough, they would have let you in and told you about it.
    Oh wow-- thanks grammar police! You're so cool!

    I meant to say that people will make that mistake whether they went to an Ivy or not.
     
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    Just from my own personal experience - I was an incredible slacker in high school, so I did not get into an ivy league school (didn't try actually). I went to a local Catholic university. At some point in my first year of college, I realized that if I actually tried I can do well, so I got straight As for most of my college career. The Catholics encouraged me. I then took the LSAT and did very well. I could have gone to an ivy law school, but decided that the Catholics had been good to me and they were willing to give me money to go to another Catholic institution - so I took that opportunity. I went to a good (first tier), but not top 15 law school. I outperformed most people who had come to my law school from ivy institutions (by outperform, I mean things like grades, class rank, law review, etc.). I now work at a big law firm where I like my job and make decent coin.

    Would I have been better off if I went to an ivy? Probably not. I probably would have rested on the laurels of my ivy degree without learning how to work hard for things that I want and how to beat the competition when the odds are against you. Those types of lessons are learned best in adversity.
     
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    This really does not help the case for Ivy/non-Ivy parity . . .
    It's pretty fucking irrelevant actually. It's called a straw man argument-- I made a small typo, but it doesn't change the point at issue here.
     
  13. RJman

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    I'd venture that mafoofran's arguments do actually make the case for a certain privity, if not parity...
     
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    Don't worry about it Jon. If you were smart enough, they would have let you in and told you about it.

    And if you were smart enough you wouldn't haven needed to go to work on the other side of the pond...with your current circumstances.

    Now, regarding my question: how can an institution of so-called higher learning possibly allow a policy like that? My not as grandiose state school doesn't allow anything of that nature, you fail and you are fucked.

    Jon.
     
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    Purchase yourself a Lordship and you wouldn't feel inadequate to those colonial Ivy-leaguers.
     
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    Argh! Fixed. I wish I could say that if you'd gone to an Ivy you wouldn't make that mistake, but you would anyway.

    For the record, I'm staying out of the little "Rumble in the Jungle" you and mafoofran are having.


    That also drives me insane. People tend to get a little chippy when corrected on it.
     
  17. mafoofan

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    The point is-- I could care less what rationalization you have. You're not better, smarter, or in any way superior to someone who went to a state college (for the record, I didn't). I guess that stings because you've got so much stock in the fact that somehow you're superior because you went to a particular presitigious school, but most likely there's a large group of people out there more successful than you that didn't have the pricey education. For the record WERE your parents upper middle class? In the interest of full disclosure....

    Hmm, how do you know I'm not smarter? I'm not saying I necessarily am. But my school taught me to be careful of reckless assumptions when making arguments. I also learned that it's foolish to counter a person's argument by attacking his motivations.

    The fact that there are successful people that didn't go to an Ivy League school is really irrelevant to either of the points being discussed here: (1) whether non-Ivy alum sometimes feel inadequate, and (2) whether Ivy League students are generally more intelligent. The absolute number of successful people that didn't go to an Ivy League school reveals nothing unless you can compare it to the number that aren't successful, and then consider the ratio of successful to unsuccessful Ivy Leaguers.

    I don't think I'm superior because I went to Brown. I do think that it took a lot of hard work and brains to get there. I cannot account for how you got to where you are, but I'm not about to make the insulting accusation that you only got there because of your parents' wealth.

    It's interesting, really. Your attitude suggests that you do feel inadequate. Otherwise, why would you try so hard to believe that I am no better than you in any way, despite the lack of any evidence?
     
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    At Cal, some of us were terribly envious of Stanford. Grade inflation ... you could drop classes 24 hours before the final ... no over-enrollment ... parking ... less chance of life threatening injury from crazy people ... Heaven!
    I didn't want to mention Stanford's grade-inflation and insta-drop policy, but I had heard the same things as well. I think the worst thing you could do there was give a student a D instead of failing them since the class could be retroactively dropped in case of failure. We even had town-hall meetings at school to discuss whether our grading policy should be changed so we would be more competitive with schools like that. --Andre
     
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    I didn't want to mention Stanford's grade-inflation and insta-drop policy, but I had heard the same things as well. I think the worst thing you could do there was give a student a D instead of failing them since the class could be retroactively dropped in case of failure.

    We even had town-hall meetings at school to discuss whether our grading policy should be changed so we would be more competitive with schools like that.

    --Andre


    You can drop your classes at Stanford after you fail them? I took Manton's post to say that they could audit the course up to 24 hours before the final exam.
     
  20. RJman

    RJman Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It's interesting, really. Your attitude suggests that you do feel inadequate. Otherwise, why would you try so hard to believe that I am no better than you in any way, despite the lack of any evidence?

    "Leave it out." -- Daniel Day-Lewis, My Beautiful Laundrette.
     

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