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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Jerome, May 30, 2011.

  1. lasbar

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    Already been answered, but I might chip in as well. I carry mine to cut of loose threads, cut open boxes, open letters, open bottles/cans, etcetera. It has it's uses, perhaps not every day but 3-4 times a week at the very least.

    + if I get bored, I start sawing wood-things with it. Oh the joys a man can get from sawing things!


    You Swedes and your addiction to sawing wood and making furnitures...
     
  2. polarcreamsoda

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    i go to architecture school so i use my knife almost everyday.
     
  3. Crane's

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    LMFAO. You do realize that if you pull a gun or knife on a mugger, you're more likely to get hurt and not less, right? More likely to scare him into shooting or stabbing or what have you. And honestly, do you really live in such a dangerous environment that muggers are a real, probable, daily threat? For the record, I'm not against gun ownership whatsoever. I am very pro 2nd amendment. I just don't see an actual need to carry in public. I'm not saying it should be illegal; I'm saying that only weirdos and paranoids seem to do it. I would consider "protection against muggers" to be at best wildly naive and at worst nutty/paranoid.
    Please supply actual fact to back up your assumption about more likely getting hurt if you resist criminal violence DC. Once you've done that then explain to me why 45 States allow CCW. I'm also very much aware of the concepts of aggressive behavior and the difference between social violence and criminal violence. I'm also aware of why a typical law abiding citizen fails to counter criminal violence successfully. Much of the problem BTW is the difference in mind sets. As far as whether or not anyone lives in such a dangerous environment is concerned just read the paper or watch the news and you'll have your answer. While you're at it understand several people on this board thought much like you. That is until their world was rocked and they became a victim of a strong arm street crime. The fact is it can happen to anyone at anytime. I'm of the mindset that personal protection will ultimately fall on my shoulders in most situations. Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.
     
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    I have a partially mangled finger on my left hand from a childhood accident. It's subtle but noticeable if one pays attention. Also, I carry 4 silver quarters from the 1950's and early 60's in my left pants pocket.
    Please supply actual fact to back up your assumption about more likely getting hurt if you resist criminal violence DC. Once you've done that then explain to me why 45 States allow CCW. I'm also very much aware of the concepts of aggressive behavior and the difference between social violence and criminal violence. I'm also aware of why a typical law abiding citizen fails to counter criminal violence successfully. Much of the problem BTW is the difference in mind sets. As far as whether or not anyone lives in such a dangerous environment is concerned just read the paper or watch the news and you'll have your answer. While you're at it understand several people on this board thought much like you. That is until their world was rocked and they became a victim of a strong arm street crime. The fact is it can happen to anyone at anytime. I'm of the mindset that personal protection will ultimately fall on my shoulders in most situations. Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.
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  5. Don Carlos

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    Please supply actual fact to back up your assumption about more likely getting hurt if you resist criminal violence DC. Once you've done that then explain to me why 45 States allow CCW. I'm also very much aware of the concepts of aggressive behavior and the difference between social violence and criminal violence. I'm also aware of why a typical law abiding citizen fails to counter criminal violence successfully. Much of the problem BTW is the difference in mind sets. As far as whether or not anyone lives in such a dangerous environment is concerned just read the paper or watch the news and you'll have your answer. While you're at it understand several people on this board thought much like you. That is until their world was rocked and they became a victim of a strong arm street crime. The fact is it can happen to anyone at anytime. I'm of the mindset that personal protection will ultimately fall on my shoulders in most situations. Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.
    This is paranoid nuttiness at its finest, man. I've been the victim of armed robbery before, in NYC back when NYC was actually NYC and not Rich White Man's Disneyland. I gave the dude my cash, and he fled the scene. I wasn't about to pull a piece back on him, even if I had one. Would have gotten me shot. The experience was frightening at the time, but certainly not world-shattering. I don't live my life in constant fear of armed robbery. Furthermore, you seem to be insinuating that I take issue with concealed-carry laws. I do not. Evidently I'll have to restate that fact again and again, from time to time, just to make sure everyone is clear on it. Show me a concealed-carry aficionado who isn't some paranoid nutter living out a deluded cowboy fantasy, and I'll be genuinely surprised. Show me one who isn't a pasty, chubby dude with a goatee and a high school education, and I'll be surprised.
    Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.
    What statistics? Evidence? LOL at your demanding that I post evidence of my claims, and then you go right ahead and make some absurd claim yourself, without substantiation.
     
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    I have actually become known at work for wearing nice shoes and colorful socks.

    Guys and girls stop me in the office to ask me about my shoes and socks and it has become expected that I will be wearing something out of the norm.
     
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    This is paranoid nuttiness at its finest, man.

    I've been the victim of armed robbery before, in NYC back when NYC was actually NYC and not Rich White Man's Disneyland. I gave the dude my cash, and he fled the scene. I wasn't about to pull a piece back on him, even if I had one. Would have gotten me shot.

    The experience was frightening at the time, but certainly not world-shattering. I don't live my life in constant fear of armed robbery.

    Furthermore, you seem to be insinuating that I take issue with concealed-carry laws. I do not. Evidently I'll have to restate that fact again and again, from time to time, just to make sure everyone is clear on it.

    Show me a concealed-carry aficionado who isn't some paranoid nutter living out a deluded cowboy fantasy, and I'll be genuinely surprised.



    What statistics? Evidence? LOL at your demanding that I post evidence of my claims, and then you go right ahead and make some absurd claim yourself, without substantiation.


    My former room mate is from rual PA. Living in Philly, he loves to carry his gun on him. I have finally convinced him to not take it with him when we go out to clubs and bars as he has the tendency to get drunk and stupid and start fights with the first guy who looks at him funny (he is a skinny white boy). He does have a concealed carry permit.

    I have gotten him out of so many fights (once by impersinating an officer) and the last thing I need is for him to pull his gun on someone or shoot somone because they stepped on his shoes (although most SF members would probably consider this reasonable) and end up in jail for the next 20 years--it is just not worth it.

    Besides what I'm wearing, I do not carry much of value on me. If somone wants my wallet, they can have it. It is all plastic anyway.
     
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    My former room mate is from rual PA. Living in Philly, he loves to carry his gun on him. I have finally convinced him to not take it with him when we go out to clubs and bars as he has the tendency to get drunk and stupid and start fights with the first guy who looks at him funny (he is a skinny white boy). He does have a concealed carry permit.

    I have gotten him out of so many fights (once by impersinating an officer) and the last thing I need is for him to pull his gun on someone or shoot somone because they stepped on his shoes (although most SF members would probably consider this reasonable) and end up in jail for the next 20 years--it is just not worth it.

    Besides what I'm wearing, I do not carry much of value on me. If somone wants my wallet, they can have it. It is all plastic anyway.

    Trashing somebody's G&G's probably breaks over 1k, which would be a class D felony vandalism charge.
     
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    OK DC so you don't have an issue with CCW. Gotch ya. So what's with all the deriding comments about how a typical CCW holder acts, level of education and so on? I know a few hundred CCW holders and none of them fit your description. I certainly don't, even though I do know how to ride a horse. LOL.

    And yeah I want to see analytical evidence to support your broad based claim. Your single example of anecdotal experience doesn't cut it. As far as the idiot above with the CCW permit all I can say is WTF. He was taught better or at least should know better. If I was his instructor and knew about this behavior I would inform the issuing body and recommend his license be revoked.
     
  10. lasbar

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    Please supply actual fact to back up your assumption about more likely getting hurt if you resist criminal violence DC. Once you've done that then explain to me why 45 States allow CCW. I'm also very much aware of the concepts of aggressive behavior and the difference between social violence and criminal violence. I'm also aware of why a typical law abiding citizen fails to counter criminal violence successfully. Much of the problem BTW is the difference in mind sets. As far as whether or not anyone lives in such a dangerous environment is concerned just read the paper or watch the news and you'll have your answer. While you're at it understand several people on this board thought much like you. That is until their world was rocked and they became a victim of a strong arm street crime. The fact is it can happen to anyone at anytime. I'm of the mindset that personal protection will ultimately fall on my shoulders in most situations. Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.
    I do understand your point of view but if you draw a weapon you take the risk to get stabbed or shot even more... Your average mugger has more experience in dealing with that kind of situations than you do and a knife is not exactly the best protective weapon in the world... You can also wear a gun but don't forget the average mugger/junkie has nothing to lose and you do...
     
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    Please supply actual fact to back up your assumption about more likely getting hurt if you resist criminal violence DC. Once you've done that then explain to me why 45 States allow CCW. I'm also very much aware of the concepts of aggressive behavior and the difference between social violence and criminal violence. I'm also aware of why a typical law abiding citizen fails to counter criminal violence successfully. Much of the problem BTW is the difference in mind sets.

    As far as whether or not anyone lives in such a dangerous environment is concerned just read the paper or watch the news and you'll have your answer. While you're at it understand several people on this board thought much like you. That is until their world was rocked and they became a victim of a strong arm street crime. The fact is it can happen to anyone at anytime. I'm of the mindset that personal protection will ultimately fall on my shoulders in most situations. Statistics prove this to be true BTW and to deny it is intellectual dissonance at it's finest.


    we have had this conversation before, and we have reached mutual understanding and, I hope, respect.


    but, how many times have you used a weapon? a civillian who says that they have used a weapon "multiple times" is living their life wrong.
     
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    I have four vintage Rolex's from the 1960's that my father passed down to me about 20 years ago.

    By no means are they the best watches available, but they mean far more to me than going out and buying a new Patek Philippe like all the other MD's I know.
     
  13. ewc

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    i go to architecture school so i use my knife almost everyday.
    Wow, you must go to a pretty rough architecture school.
     
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    As far as the idiot above with the CCW permit all I can say is WTF. He was taught better or at least should know better. If I was his instructor and knew about this behavior I would inform the issuing body and recommend his license be revoked.

    i think most level headed people with carry permits dont make it known that they carry. the idiots like the one in the story that publicize the fact they pack heat make everyone think all carriers are like that. just one more stereotype that is exacerbated by the extereme stupidity of the people that garner the most attention.

    personally guns make me nervous, i would not carry. but the decent people i know that do carry i have no problem with. as an aside afaik they havent had to use it.
     
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    This has turned into a very American discussion, it seems: 'Should I wear a weapon or not? Should I wear it more openly or not? What's up, folks? Howdy there, partner. Yihaa! etc..[​IMG]
     
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    Your average mugger has more experience in dealing with that kind of situations than you do and a knife is not exactly the best protective weapon in the world...
    Exactly. This is the key point that everyone (including myself in years past) fails to grasp. Your IDPA matches train you for IDPA. Your Kali classes train you for Kali classes. Your dowel rod knife sparring trains you for dowel rod knife sparring. You have ZERO training in fighting for your life against a completely shameless, desperate, possibly psychopathic individual who *most certainly* has backup waiting in the wings. Just in case this information is incorrectly discounted, let me assure you - I am CCW/IDPA/Military/blah-blah-lifetime-martial-arts, and I am begging you, for the love of god, to do what I would do in situations like these: Drop the goods and run. (IDPA = International Defensive Pistol Association)
     
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    i think most level headed people with carry permits dont make it known that they carry. the idiots like the one in the story that publicize the fact they pack heat make everyone think all carriers are like that. just one more stereotype that is exacerbated by the extereme stupidity of the people that garner the most attention.

    personally guns make me nervous, i would not carry. but the decent people i know that do carry i have no problem with. as an aside afaik they havent had to use it.


    Well, the "idiot" in question was my ex room mate that I lived with for three years. He never liked people to know he carried a gun. I knew it because I lived with him but he would only tell a girlfriend after he knew her a while.

    The guy was not walking around trying to find a fight. I just knew that he judgement level went down as he drank and his abrasiveness went up. I was just afraid that he would get into an altercation that would escalate and that is why I convinced him to not carry when we were stepping out for the evening.

    This has turned into a very American discussion, it seems: 'Should I wear a weapon or not? Should I wear it more openly or not? What's up, folks? Howdy there, partner. Yihaa! etc..[​IMG]


    Yes, we are all cowboys here. Excuse me, I need to go polish the gun rack in the back of my BMW.
     
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    Well, the "idiot" in question was my ex room mate that I lived with for three years. He never liked people to know he carried a gun. I knew it because I lived with him but he would only tell a girlfriend after he knew her a while.

    The guy was not walking around trying to find a fight. I just knew that he judgement level went down as he drank and his abrasiveness went up. I was just afraid that he would get into an altercation that would escalate and that is why I convinced him to not carry when we were stepping out for the evening.




    Yes, we are all cowboys here. Excuse me, I need to go polish the gun rack in the back of my BMW.


    sorry no offence to your friend. he may be a great guy, and this story is a mere snipet of his life. but a person who knows they get beer muscles should have the common sence to know on their own not to bring their gun with them to the bar without having to be convinced by a friend.

    this is one of the reasons people are anti gun. because some of the people who carry them dont know on their own when to carry and when to leave it in the house. he is lucky to have a good friend such as yourself. he might very well be dead or in jail without you.

    btw, your bimmer has a gun rack, was that a custom option? [​IMG]
     
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    sorry no offence to your friend. he may be a great guy, and this story is a mere snipet of his life. but a person who knows they get beer muscles should have the common sence to know on their own not to bring their gun with them to the bar without having to be convinced by a friend.

    this is one of the reasons people are anti gun. because some of the people who carry them dont know on their own when to carry and when to leave it in the house. he is lucky to have a good friend such as yourself. he might very well be dead or in jail without you.

    btw, your bimmer has a gun rack, was that a custom option? [​IMG]


    He is my friend, but admitedly not the brightest. Notice he is my ex-room mate.

    The gun rack was part of the Dinan stage 2 upgrade. Stage 3 has soccer mom seeking missiles.
     

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