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Do you feel you are intelligent?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by drake, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. otc

    otc Senior member

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    I don't see why everybody thinks the above average figures on this site are weird. If this were a dick measuring contest and everyone chose "above average" and "top 5%" it would be lulz but if I were to make an estimate of the SF intelligence, I would put it close to where it is now (whereas I would probably put penis size at slightly below average as we get skewed down by people who need to compensate and I don't think we have any porn star posters to skew us back up). SF is very self-selected and the level of discussion here makes it clear.

    I would definitely place myself above average to the general population (and maybe even in the 5% group...my standardized tests at least put me there and I did well at a top 5% school). I would have trouble accurately measuring myself within my peer group or my company or my college graduating class...but against the population, I am quite sure.

    It doesn't mean I have great social skills. I can be abbrasive, cold and distant, and I don't get excited by a bunch of the stupid shit that other people go "WOOOOO" over. So at this point I can see globetrotter's argument that at a certain point it tends to be detrimental to other areas of your life. Luckily, I don't think I am so smart that it is really bad and I am able to recognize my strengths and weaknesses.
     
  2. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think if the seletion read, "above median" the answers would produce even more lulz. I am sure intelligence however you want to measure it is a log-normal distribution, much like income.
     
  3. CunningSmeagol

    CunningSmeagol Senior member

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    The three smartest posters on this forum are tagutcow, Foo, Don Carlos, and Vox (in no particular order). Yes, I am qualified to judge.
     
  4. StephenHero

    StephenHero Senior member

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    Been working with flashcards. IQ now up to 103.
     
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    HgaleK Senior member

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    Well of course, all measurements can be fudged a bit. In the case of IQs, people's egos demand it.
    One standard deviation (15 points) is not "a bit." 25 points is an absurdly high increase. That's my problem with it. If it can be fudged that much, then it's not an accurate measure. The fact that it can be fudged like that should instead provide us a bit of a guide as to what is really going on with IQ tests. Figure out which questions are being answer correctly after using the study material, and then figure out why. It could be that they have frequently seen vocabulary words (which shouldn't be on there in the first place), or it could be that they show methods of approaching certain logic problems. In the latter case, it may just demonstrate that people who score higher are used to a more logic oriented thinking pattern (engineers, programmers, etc.). If you wanted to get an honest score, you could control for such fudging by providing everyone with the material beforehand.
    Or driving a delivery truck and smoking a lot of weed in NY. Cool dude, though.
    no whats funny is people who disparage iq tests and yet always have to get their score in somehow, like "well i tested at 175 but it hasnt done much for me"
    I think that it's supposed to be qualifying the statement... Edit: not to say that his whole post wasn't absolutely absurd. If he wasn't trolling, then it is simple proof that a high IQ doesn't necessarily prevent one from being a fucktard.
     
  7. tagutcow

    tagutcow Senior member

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    The three smartest posters on this forum are tagutcow, Foo, Don Carlos, and Vox (in no particular order). Yes, I am qualified to judge.

    Those are the three smartest, huh?

    Dumbererest poaster: CunningSmeagol!

    One standard deviation (15 points) is not "a bit." 25 points is an absurdly high increase. That's my problem with it. If it can be fudged that much, then it's not an accurate measure. The fact that it can be fudged like that should instead provide us a bit of a guide as to what is really going on with IQ tests.

    You're absolutely right, that is a remarkable amount of fudgery. But maybe we shouldn't be taking what Mensa says at face value. Keep in mind that they're basically in the business of selling personal validation, and from what I hear of the types of people who attend Mensa meetings, buying it is the only way they can get it.
     
  8. CunningSmeagol

    CunningSmeagol Senior member

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    Adding Manton, pio, RJMan, and StephenHero

    Note that I do not like some of these.
     
  9. CunningSmeagol

    CunningSmeagol Senior member

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    You're absolutely right, that is a remarkable amount of fudgery. But maybe we shouldn't be taking what Mensa says at face value. Keep in mind that they're basically in the business of selling personal validation, and from what I hear of the types of people who attend Mensa meetings, buying it is the only way they can get it.

    Mensa is very much [​IMG]
     
  10. RSS

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    Those are the three smartest, huh?

    Dumbererest poaster: CunningSmeagol!



    But maybe we shouldn't be taking what Mensa says at face value. Keep in mind that they're basically in the business of selling personal validation, and from what I hear of the types of people who attend Mensa meetings, buying it is the only way they can get it.

    Everything has its price.
     
  11. Surfrider

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    you think youre top 5%, why wouldnt 85% of people who chose to respond think they are at least above 50%?
    I think you misunderstand me, sir. The source of my amusement wasn't "Oh, all you stupid little people thinking you're so smart...!" Not at all. I was laughing at the mathematical absurdity. Further, I don't thinkI test above average, I know I test above average because...I have actually tested above average. Four times, as a matter of fact (again, because I've been roped into participating in friends' research projects). But there was another implication there than I think you missed; the disparity between my lowest result, and my highest is two full standard deviations! That's HUGE! And, it just serves to further illustrate the ridiculousness of putting much stock in tests that - relative to one another - inaccurately measure a meaningless metric.
    When writing my response, I made a point to disclaim that IQ means fuck all, and that people with a high IQ are no better than anyone else. Yet you imply that I boast merely because I answered the question. But...how can one answer the question without answering the question?
    ...But maybe we shouldn't be taking what Mensa says at face value. Keep in mind that they're basically in the business of selling personal validation, and from what I hear of the types of people who attend Mensa meetings, buying it is the only way they can get it.
    I joined with the hopes of making professional networking contacts, as if MENSA were a lodge or somesuch. I attended one shin-dig, and never went back. There were a few nice people, but on the whole...it was insufferable. DENSA > MENSA.
     
  12. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    You're absolutely right, that is a remarkable amount of fudgery. But maybe we shouldn't be taking what Mensa says at face value. Keep in mind that they're basically in the business of selling personal validation, and from what I hear of the types of people who attend Mensa meetings, buying it is the only way they can get it.
    I'll concede that point. Ex-ex GF's mom took an IQ test back in the day when she was hot (looks like a fat toad now [​IMG] ) and got invited to a lot of naked hot tubbing shindigs by a number of apparently horrifically awkward D&D types. Edit:
    But there was another implication there than I think you missed; the disparity between my lowest result, and my highest is two full standard deviations! That's HUGE! And, it just serves to further illustrate the ridiculousness of putting much stock in tests that - relative to one another - inaccurately measure a meaningless metric.
    Oh. I thought you'd missed that about your own post... My B on the name calling.
     
  13. Surfrider

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    Oh. I thought you'd missed that about your own post... My B on the name calling.
    <3
     
  14. opipi0404

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    I'm an ENTJ and some INTJ, so I believe my characteristics make me somehow intelligent in IQ wise. But I don't think intelligence is as imporant as conncection in the business world when it comes to becoming successful. And I'm trying to focus on the latter now as I'm graduating in 3 months and really thinking that I'd get a job by &quot;referral&quot;.
     
  15. cretaceous_cretin

    cretaceous_cretin Senior member

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    ... DENSA > MENSA.

    +1
     
  16. toslat

    toslat Well-Known Member

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    Until there is an agreement of what intelligence correlates with ( .g. what is clear evidence of high intelligence), there is no point in IQ tests as a measure of intelligence as its accuracy cannot be measured.

    That being said, whatever IQ tests measure, given the low precision, is obviously neither innate nor static.
     
  17. The-thin-man

    The-thin-man Well-Known Member

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    Average Intelligence, but I know a lot of facts and have a desire to acquire skills and knowledge. This is why people tell me I'm Intelligent.


    IQ Test - 128
    SAT - 1090
     
  18. in stitches

    in stitches Senior member Moderator

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    thenanyu Senior member

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    Everything has its price.

    The Precious! I must have it!
     
  20. HgaleK

    HgaleK Senior member

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    Average Intelligence, but I know a lot of facts and have a desire to acquire skills and knowledge. This is why people tell me I'm Intelligent.


    IQ Test - 128
    SAT - 1090


    You srs got a 1090 SAT with a 128 IQ? You sure that you don't mean 1490?

    I have a bad habit about of judging peoples' intelligence based on how curious they are. I've turned out to be wrong close to half the time.
     

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