Discussions about the fashion industry thread

[Reginald Bartholomew]

People who buy synthetics for "performance" overwhelmingly do not need them. This is most true for "rugged" clothing that will never see rough treatment (the ubiquitous synthetic raincoat with Gore membrane and DWR coating that goes from front door to car door and car door to mall door is one of my favourite pieces of modern nonsense), but also extends to athleisure rarely worn for exercise (I work out like a motherfucker in cotton and still have not died of it). This is mostly the progressive middle class doing "overcoming athlete" cosplay, akin to the workin' man cosplay of the soft handed conservative suburban dad who drives his kids around in an F 350 or similar. A sane society would outlaw this useless insanity.

 

[smittycl]

People who buy synthetics for "performance" overwhelmingly do not need them. This is most true for "rugged" clothing that will never see rough treatment (the ubiquitous synthetic raincoat with Gore membrane and DWR coating that goes from front door to car door and car door to mall door is one of my favourite pieces of modern nonsense), but also extends to athleisure rarely worn for exercise (I work out like a motherfucker in cotton and still have not died of it). This is mostly the progressive middle class doing "overcoming athlete" cosplay, akin to the workin' man cosplay of the soft handed conservative suburban dad who drives his kids around in an F 350 or similar. A sane society would outlaw this useless insanity.

I pretty much agree but have come to appreciate synthetic shirts and shorts for running and cycling. Cotton gets wet and stays wet but the nicer synthetic stuff does actually breath and dry faster.

I do smirk at the folks who buy parkas rated to summit K2 but only go from the Lincoln Navigator to Whole Foods and back in light rain.

 

[cb200]

“The main type of microfibre found in seafloor sediments was thus essentially not plastic but cellulose fibres, that consisted of both dyed natural cellulose (cotton, linen) and manufactured fibres composed of regenerated cellulose, e.g. rayon,” says the paper."

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"Micro–Fourier transform infrared (μFTIR) characterization revealed that 91.8% of fibers were natural fibers of animal or plant origin (n = 1984). Most fibers were cellulosics (79.5%), with cotton being the most frequent match (50% of all fibers; n = 992), followed by other plant-based fibers (e.g., viscose, linen, jute, kenaf, hemp, etc.), which accounted together for 29.5% of all fibers (n = 585). A further 12.3% (n = 244) were animal fibers: 11.6% wool and 0.6% silk. Only 8.2% of fibers were synthetic (n = 163). Most plastic fibers were polyester (n = 123; 6.2% of the total), followed by acrylic and nylon (n = 14 each; 0.7%), polypropylene (n = 7; 0.4%), and aramid (n = 5; 0.3%)."

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aay8493

Microfibers as a whole need to be looked at.

 

[LA Guy]

All textiles can shed fibres as they breakdown. Synthetics are going to stick around for basically ever while the more natural theoretically will biodegrade. Recent studies did find natural fibres in deep ocean so they don't just disappear automatically.

The elephant in the room is overconsumption - off everything, from energy to matter. Ideally, we would consume less, keep things longer, and everything would be cradle to cradle. But our economy is not structured that way, and we’ve seen how people are resistant to even short term changes…

 

[tweedlover]

The elephant in the room is overconsumption - off everything, from energy to matter. Ideally, we would consume less, keep things longer, and everything would be cradle to cradle. But our economy is not structured that way, and we’ve seen how people are resistant to even short term changes…

Well, heck, I'm so easy on clothes I have a number of shirts which are in excess of 20 years old in my closet and, of course, much of my wardrobe, in general, was bought thrifted.

 

[Symphony]

any suggestions on good camp collar shirts?

just bought this post imperial one and i’m addicted

 

[Epaulet]

any suggestions on good camp collar shirts?

just bought this post imperial one and i’m addicted

American Trench has a bunch of great ones in stock! All made in the US too…

https://www.americantrench.com/collections/tees

 

[smittycl]

any suggestions on good camp collar shirts?

just bought this post imperial one and i’m addicted

There's a bunch here:

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[cb200]

The elephant in the room is overconsumption - off everything,

There's also its twin of over production. Not only in finished goods but in raw materials as well.

 

[Racing Green]

People who buy synthetics for "performance" overwhelmingly do not need them. This is most true for "rugged" clothing that will never see rough treatment (the ubiquitous synthetic raincoat with Gore membrane and DWR coating that goes from front door to car door and car door to mall door is one of my favourite pieces of modern nonsense), but also extends to athleisure rarely worn for exercise (I work out like a motherfucker in cotton and still have not died of it). This is mostly the progressive middle class doing "overcoming athlete" cosplay, akin to the workin' man cosplay of the soft handed conservative suburban dad who drives his kids around in an F 350 or similar. A sane society would outlaw this useless insanity.

Battenwear on that very subject - https://battenwear.com/blogs/bivoua...f-and-battenwears-approach-to-not-getting-wet

 

[Shetterd]

“The main type of microfibre found in seafloor sediments was thus essentially not plastic but cellulose fibres, that consisted of both dyed natural cellulose (cotton, linen) and manufactured fibres composed of regenerated cellulose, e.g. rayon,” says the paper."

Isn't that essentially saying that blends are particularly bad?

 

[cb200]

Battenwear on that very subject - https://battenwear.com/blogs/bivoua...f-and-battenwears-approach-to-not-getting-wet

"All in all, "waterproof" is in the eye of the beholder."
No it's not. In textiles it's a quantitative measurement of burst performance as measured on a hydrostatic head test.

 

[peachfuzzmcgee]

I do feel like they should just say it's water resistant. I do believe that people always will feel disappointed otherwise. However, I definitely feel like the whole waterproof thing is overrated. **** feels like being in a bag even with the most breathable ones. Too hot when it's hot, not warm enough when it's cold.

Frankly I'd rather just carry a poncho if I need it.

 

[xeoniq]

Ventile isn't bad for a shell, imo. Feels a bit more comfortable and isn't as noisy as nylon-faced jackets. Plenty of used ones for sale from different labels if you don't want to support creating brand new items for ethical/environmental reasons, and in my experience ventile outers still resist water well even with age. The material is probably not good enough for snow sports but for the odd rain shower around town, it's more than enough to keep you dry.

 

[Reginald Bartholomew]

You can wear a cotton sweatshirt and keep mostly dry in a rain shower around town. The performance gear mindset is maybe required if you are climbing mountains or out in wild country (and ignore the long sweep of human history which came up with solutions a lot less damaging to said mountains and wildness than DWR-coated plastics), but the idea that one needs ventile to walk around a city in a country of the capitalist core is some citation-needed ****. No one gets water logged leading to their core temperature dropping to life threatening levels while strolling down the high street, and the idea that you need to prepare for that eventuality as you stroll from book shop to lunch spot is the kind of cosplay that needs to be mocked.