King Calder
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Honestly I'd just listen to or read basically anything Antonio has to say about the economics/production of fashion.
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My position is that if the item isn't for sale at some retailer at that price being used for comparison - then it is a fabricated/imaginary comparison. The higher price doesn't point towards a verifiable fact in the world. It is used to frame the price being asked for as having a relative value based on a theoretical situation. It is a useful marketing trick to frame price and value by a comparison to a fiction.But it’s not imaginary.
I have four pairs of incotex, all in cotton. Two (moleskin and some tough canvas-like cotton material) have been incredible. I’ve worn them lots over a decade, always machine washed and they still look great. One pair really didn’t wash well and discolored unevenly in an unattractive way. My fourth pair is really nice but has gotten to slim over the thigh.
Construction wise I don’t really see how they are superior to my chinos from Arket (which cost a fourth or so, although hard to compare prices from 2010 with 2020), aside from a few details which I don’t care about.
though I would think most guys buy Incotex/PT01 baby them more by sending them to dry cleaners, it's the JCrew/RL stuff that take the abuse...
ok now I must hear your take on Incotex.
My understanding from talking to more than a few people close to the production of Incotex, PT01 and Jacob Cohen is that little to none of their production is actually done in Italy. They fall into those gray area two step “made in italy” brands where the product is made elsewhere (with pants it’s usually bulgaria and romania), shipped to italy where the final two steps including attaching the main label allow the product to be deemed as made in Italy. Secondly, I’ve never seen a pair of Incotex pants that were demonstrably nicer than something similar from RL, particularly since Incotex is substantially more expensive. You could argue you like the fit better, and that justifies the premium, but certainly not the quality of make or textile choice.
Where does Rota fit in the mix? They’ve become my new favorites. Fit and fabric are incredible.My understanding from talking to more than a few people close to the production of Incotex, PT01 and Jacob Cohen is that little to none of their production is actually done in Italy. They fall into those gray area two step “made in italy” brands where the product is made elsewhere (with pants it’s usually bulgaria and romania), shipped to italy where the final two steps including attaching the main label allow the product to be deemed as made in Italy. Secondly, I’ve never seen a pair of Incotex pants that were demonstrably nicer than something similar from RL, particularly since Incotex is substantially more expensive. You could argue you like the fit better, and that justifies the premium, but certainly not the quality of make or textile choice.
Where does Rota fit in the mix? They’ve become my new favorites. Fit and fabric are incredible.
I don’t wash much myself and send all but my one pair of jeans to the cleaners. Rota rocks.My understanding is that Rotas are cleaner, dry clean only trousers and really, really nice.
Actually I think the MJ ones might be between the Armoury and NMWA, might need to try that next