Discussions about the fashion industry thread

[dieworkwear]

I thought you can get BC at under $2k easy, their target audience might not do that, but SFer got to be doing that every day…

all the bespoke I want to try are really expensive these days (Cifonelli, Michael Browne), stick with my RTW on sale strategy …

I don't have an opinion on whether any specific person should buy Cucinelli or Loro Piana. If someone likes this stuff, they should enjoy it. I think this convo started when Blake asked what's the appeal of those brands. Since this is the fashion industry thread, I assume we're talking about people shopping at nearly full retail prices (or, at least, not heavily discounted clothes on eBay).

For people who are sustaining Cucinelli or Loro Piana as clothing companies, I don't understand why they don't go for something else. But to answer Blake's question, I think the value exists outside of the objects themselves -- it's in the marketing, the branding, the identity, the dream, the idea of superlative quality (even if these are just machine-made clothes), etc.

 

[smittycl]

Zegna xxx couture line? or what line? Because I've found Brioni to be way better than Zegna's top line.

As for LP, their linen is great as well, have quite a few shirts both from LP themselves and from local tailors using their fabric.

BC is a waste of money, nothing interesting or really even nice for that price point. Maybe it's down to differences of tastes, I don't know.

Brioni may be qualitatively excellent but many of their cuts do not work that well for me. I great prefer Zegna’s Milano cut.

 

[smittycl]

Do you mean "don't bother with their non-cashmere fabrics?" Their fabrics seem nice to me. J. Crew, De Bonne Facture, and The Armoury all use LP fabrics and they occupy different price points. They also seem to make good products with those materials.

Oh yeah, their fabrics are excellent. I have lots. Just commenting on the LP stuff in their stores. Seems nice but seriously overpriced. Plenty of decent stuff elsewhere. If shopping there might as well Shoot the Moon and grab the best cashmere.

 

[AunToni]

Brioni may be qualitatively excellent but many of their cuts do not work that well for me. I great prefer Zegna’s Milano cut.

By that you mean you prefer a suit with a slimmer fit? Fair enough.

 

[AunToni]

I don't have an opinion on whether any specific person should buy Cucinelli or Loro Piana. If someone likes this stuff, they should enjoy it. I think this convo started when Blake asked what's the appeal of those brands. Since this is the fashion industry thread, I assume we're talking about people shopping at nearly full retail prices (or, at least, not heavily discounted clothes on eBay).

For people who are sustaining Cucinelli or Loro Piana as clothing companies, I don't understand why they don't go for something else. But to answer Blake's question, I think the value exists outside of the objects themselves -- it's in the marketing, the branding, the identity, the dream, the idea of superlative quality (even if these are just machine-made clothes), etc.

"Sign-value" to quote Baudrillard.

 

[double00]

Oh yeah, their fabrics are excellent. I have lots. Just commenting on the LP stuff in their stores. Seems nice but seriously overpriced. Plenty of decent stuff elsewhere. If shopping there might as well Shoot the Moon and grab the best cashmere.

well as long as the lady's paying why not take the vicuna ?

https://us.loropiana.com/en/our-world/vicuna

 

[Fuuma]

Cucinelli is for men who think having cargo pockets on their chinos and a two day beard gives them a rakish quality women swoon over and men envy. Loro piana is for rich old men dressed by their wives (who all happen to have the exact same shade of blond hair).

 

[mak1277]

I think I would pay LP prices sooner than I would spend $300 on a pair of jeans or >$100 on a T-shirt.

 

[dieworkwear]

I think I would pay LP prices sooner than I would spend $300 on a pair of jeans or >$100 on a T-shirt.

What are you going to do in this case?

 

[mak1277]

What are you going to do in this case?



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Clearly a pass for me.

 

[dieworkwear]

Clearly a pass for me.

The jeans are actually made out of tobacco.

 

[mak1277]

The jeans are actually made out of tobacco.

Seems like a waste all around then.

 

[cb200]

Luxury is a magic ingredient that can push the market value of an item far beyond other items that may have the same form and function. It does so with little environmental impact above substitute products and as such creates more value as shown through economic capture in the market for the raw resources used. Expensive luxury goods are morally superior because of this.

 

[takashi78]

Damn look at that rise of those LP jeans.....

 

[sipang]

That rise is more painful than the price