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yea, they exist, but it's difficult at that kind of scale

edit: also not clear to me what ethic standard are we talking about since I never follow/knew the other guy, I don't recall JCrew being particular bad or good vs. other mainstream (say vs. RL), but I guess here we're talking about another level up (or several level up)?
 

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Do organizations exist that can be contracted to do that kind of auditing for a corporation?
Yes, there's a whole industry that audits CSR practices. Patagonia is an excellent example of a midsize apparel brand that is focused on sustainable products and sourcing. But J. Crew likely has bigger issues right now than rebranding as a socially responsible company.
 

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yea, they exist, but it's difficult at that kind of scale

edit: also not clear to me what ethic standard are we talking about since I never follow/knew the other guy, I don't recall JCrew being particular bad or good vs. other mainstream (say vs. RL), but I guess here we're talking about another level up (or several level up)?
The point is less about J Crew - they are your usual run-of-the-mill mainstream brand hopping from low cost to lower cost and chasing down price points. I don't think they're worse than others, and there is no particular scandal to point to.

The point is about Babenzien and everything he has been standing for, at the helm of Noah, for the last 6-7 years. He is against mainstream garment manufacturing, making stuff in areas that don't have strong labor protection laws, environmental regulations, etc... He built Noah's ethos on these pillars. He and his wife have written various manifestos about it and always speak u[p in interviews.

So the point I raised is "how do you reconcile all those values you've been pushing for years" with the manufacturing strategy at J Crew? And does his appointment mean a shift towards those values?
 

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And does his appointment mean a shift towards those values?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that he will likely push for it, and any plans for substantial changes will die at the BOD level.
 

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So the point I raised is "how do you reconcile all those values you've been pushing for years" with the manufacturing strategy at J Crew? And does his appointment mean a shift towards those values?
Right now, everything we can throw out there is pure speculation. This could be the opportunity for J.Crew to really stake out a leadership position in triple-bottom-line business but it will cost them on the $ bottom line.

I don't know what their financial stakeholders want for the company, and that'll have the biggest impact on what happens next.
 

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Don’t you think that expectations and ideas were discussed before he was hired? That JCrew gave him at least an idea of what he could push through within the company?
 

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Is it just me, or is this nearly completely uninteresting? I'm uninterested in the artists, and there is zero tie in with products. I mean, give me a discount code any day. Or an exclusive product. I'm not going to Matches fashion to watch a Zoom meeting.
nearly but for *auction of rare vinyl reworked by contemporary artists*

i'm sorta not really sure what that even means ! but my interest is piqued by that sentence ngl

tho i agree, it's try-hard marketing i guess
 

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The point is less about J Crew - they are your usual run-of-the-mill mainstream brand hopping from low cost to lower cost and chasing down price points. I don't think they're worse than others, and there is no particular scandal to point to.

The point is about Babenzien and everything he has been standing for, at the helm of Noah, for the last 6-7 years. He is against mainstream garment manufacturing, making stuff in areas that don't have strong labor protection laws, environmental regulations, etc... He built Noah's ethos on these pillars. He and his wife have written various manifestos about it and always speak u[p in interviews.

So the point I raised is "how do you reconcile all those values you've been pushing for years" with the manufacturing strategy at J Crew? And does his appointment mean a shift towards those values?
got it, I guess at J Crew's scale just nearly impossible (who is the most "responsible" at that scale Patagonia, but they're still smaller) , maybe something a step up from W&B? Though in any case probably mean I should get some more basic from W&B before px goes up...
 

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The point is less about J Crew - they are your usual run-of-the-mill mainstream brand hopping from low cost to lower cost and chasing down price points. I don't think they're worse than others, and there is no particular scandal to point to.

The point is about Babenzien and everything he has been standing for, at the helm of Noah, for the last 6-7 years. He is against mainstream garment manufacturing, making stuff in areas that don't have strong labor protection laws, environmental regulations, etc... He built Noah's ethos on these pillars. He and his wife have written various manifestos about it and always speak u[p in interviews.

So the point I raised is "how do you reconcile all those values you've been pushing for years" with the manufacturing strategy at J Crew? And does his appointment mean a shift towards those values?
Don’t you think that expectations and ideas were discussed before he was hired? That JCrew gave him at least an idea of what he could push through within the company?
I'm going to go out on a cynical limb and say COVID hit his revenues pretty bad and he's taking this on for the money.
 

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J-crew has to make some sort of change on the men's side for sure. Been walking dead and just out of trouble. The streetwear adjacent angle might be what they're aiming for and taking on social responsibility as part of the package for rebrand. Time will tell. They need new people in their doors or get people to take a second(fourth) look. Hardest thing is getting "good" attention for a brand. We're talking. So far it the idea is working...
 

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