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Discuss Swaine Adeney Brigg cases

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by HEPennypacker, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    In my rather minor product from SAB, I chose chestnut because I believed it would age the best.

    That was a difficult decision for me. I think it came down to the fact that I didn't hear of anyone regretting their London tan choice, but a few people (including Peter Eliot) regretted chestnut because of the redness. But I think both are good colors, and I will likely one day get something in Chestnut...perhaps a Gladstone bag.
     
  2. heaven7

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    How much does a new one run?
    The havana one si a beautiful piece.
     
  3. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    How much does a new one run?
    The havana one si a beautiful piece.


    Yes, havana is really quite lovely. As you can see, that was my initial first choice. I just wasn't confident in how it would age. You can see SAB's prices on their website: http://www.swaineadeney.co.uk/leathe...ex.html?page=1

    VAT is around 14.2%
     
  4. Ich_Dien

    Ich_Dien Senior member

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    That was a difficult decision for me. I think it came down to the fact that I didn't hear of anyone regretting their London tan choice, but a few people (including Peter Eliot) regretted chestnut because of the redness. But I think both are good colors, and I will likely one day get something in Chestnut...perhaps a Gladstone bag.
    The London tan in person is actually a bit too garish for my taste. I can only ever see it working well in a casual setting. The product I chose was the full size coat wallet, so I didn't want the large juxtaposition between a navy conservative suit and black shoes with a bright tan coloured wallet. I also didn't want the dull choice of dark brown. After a year: [​IMG]
     
  5. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    That is quite handsome. Lol you're making me second-guess myself, because I really did spend days going back and forth between the two colors.
     
  6. GusW

    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I really like the look of the London Tan. It also says "fine leather" where brown is often used to cover lesser quality leathers, (although not at SA).
     
  7. Joenobody0

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    As far as I know, all of the Peal cases are machine stitched...but BB charges a hand-stitched price for them. Even if it is hand-stitched, I'd just order one directly from SAB for cheaper (once you consider the VAT refund).

    I have the Peal & Co. Top Frame Briefcase - purchased for 40% off last Christmas - and it is definitely machine stitched. The handle on the $2000 flap over appears to be hand sewn but I'd have to see it to be sure.
     
  8. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    That sounds right. I think all of the handles are hand-sewn even if the body is not.
     
  9. Rambler

    Rambler Well-Known Member

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    The London tan one you have pictured is my pic of the one I sold over a year ago (so yes, it's London tan). I regretted selling it and ended up buying another one but got the round lock instead.
     
  10. Prince of Paisley

    Prince of Paisley Senior member

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    I also suggest that you spend a bit of time thinking of the pros and cons of a strapped, flap-over document case. It does take a little bit of time and effort to open and close...and if you have a need to repeatedly open and shut the case or open it in a hurry, it can seem rather burdensome. Moreover, the flap will not stay open by itself; it will naturally fall back over the top (gravity isn't only a good idea; it's the law)...meaning that you have to hold the flap up when you are inserting or taking items out of the case or repeatedly lift the flap up. In other words, if quick, easy and regular access to the case is a factor, you might want to contemplate another design. On the other hand, if you do not have such a need and are looking for an exceptionally handsome leathergood, this could be a very good choice.

    +1. Personally I prefer top framed cases (called doctor's bags here, don't know if that's the case in the States) because they are more easily accessible and can stand up on their own without any dramas.

    The only drawback is a fold over case can usually accommodate more stuff as the bag dimensions are less rigid.
     
  11. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    The London tan one you have pictured is my pic of the one I sold over a year ago (so yes, it's London tan). I regretted selling it and ended up buying another one but got the round lock instead.

    I thought that was London tan, but wasn't quite sure because I'd never seen one in quite that hue. Similarly, the pics of your current case are more beige than others I've seen. Both are handsome, and the seeming unpredictability of the color after some use is part of the appeal. Thanks for sharing those pics.

    Quick question: have you found the newspaper pocket to actually be functional?


    +1. Personally I prefer top framed cases (called doctor's bags here, don't know if that's the case in the States) because they are more easily accessible and can stand up on their own without any dramas.

    The only drawback is a fold over case can usually accommodate more stuff as the bag dimensions are less rigid.


    I thought about this, but ultimately decided that the top-frame case was too bulbous for what I wanted right now. And it's the same size whether empty or full. A benefit of the wrap-around to me is that it has a slim profile when carrying only a few papers, yet can be expanded to carry much more. I have seen a few partners toting a top-frame case, and I won't rule out getting one one day. But I'm probably more likely to get an attache if I decide I want a hard case.
     
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    I own the American Westminster 3 and the Brooks Brothers version of the SAB top-frame case, so I thought I would add a couple of notes for others who might be considering one of these.

    1) I realize that for some people the difference between a hand-sewn bag and a machine-stitched one is vital and important, but the extra handwork on my Westminster 3 has meant pretty little to me. Unless you are completely committed to the virtues of hand-crafting, I suspect that you will not find it worth the additional cost.

    2) My sense is that the formality of the case depends more upon its form than its hue. I do not work in the most formal office setting, but I think the London tan top-frame bag would be fine in very conservative business contexts. I am not sure that the wrap-around bag would feel right in those settings even in black or dark brown (or at least that it would not feel substantially more right in black or dark brown than it would feel in London tan).

    3) I agree with those who have said that the American Westminster is almost awkwardly large. Unless you pack quite a lot into it, its height and width slightly overwhelm its depth--it can feel almost like a soft-sided attache case. Having said that, I love its very large capacity. I especially like having the ability to fit two stacks of 8.5 X 11 pages vertically next one another. The top-frame bag has a much larger footprint and a much smaller capacity.

    4) SAB top frame bags have little in the way of extra support on their bottom corners, which gives them an appealingly clean look but makes them a little bit awkward in rough and ready places like coffee shops, subway cars, restaurants, bars, and the like. You might find yourself wondering where you can put the bag down--at least I find myself worrying about this a little bit. Because the straps on the wrap around case effectively work as a small stand for its body, it takes less care of this kind. If you are planning on carrying the bag chiefly back and forth to work, I think the top-frame is probably ideal. If you are going to lug the bag around more generally, I think the wrap-around messenger case would be better.

    5) Commenters are right to say that opening and closing the messenger bag takes a little effort; they are also right to say that it is part of the bag's pleasure. After first thinking the bag slightly awkward, I have come gradually to enjoy the handling rituals it demands.

    6) Although the messenger bags can come with shoulder straps, the strap system they employ does not strike me as especially robust. I am not sure how well the d-rings and small leather clasps on top of the bag will stand up to regular slinging, especially as the bag can hold enough to become quite heavy. The Westminster 1 and 2, with strap clasps on the side, might be better. I do not know. At any rate, I do not use the strap with mine, and I suspect that the bag was mainly designed to be carried by hand rather than over the shoulder.

    7) Although the Brooks Brothers regular prices for SAB stuff are not especially good, they offer a 40% sale on leather goods twice a year (once near the holidays, once in midsummer). If you pounce on one of these sales, their prices become very, very good. Depending on the exchange rate, I suspect that this is probably the best way to get a machine stitched SAB case. (This is especially the case if the rumors are true that BB uses hand-stitched handles, which add a couple of hundred dollars to the classicluggage prices. To be entirely honest, I can't tell whether my handle is hand stitched.)

    Hope this helps prospective SAB purchasers. I have been thrilled with my cases.
     
  14. Joenobody0

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    rtr--good comments. Had I read them a week ago, I probably would have given the BB version more thought. That said, even at 40% off, the BB version of the Westminster 3 will cost you around $1300. Once you've decided to commit that much, I don't think it's difficult to justify paying a few hundred more to get the hand-stitched version directly from SAB (supporting the craft, getting a unique article, etc.).

    Joenobody--I might be completely wrong about the hand-stitched handles. I just recall reading that in one of the many threads on SAB cases. But if it is true, not only is it interesting to note that BB includes one in its price versus classicluggage.com, but it is also interesting to note that classicluggage.com charges an additional fee for a shoulder strap, which I believe is standard with the BB case (and on SAB's website). I suppose they are trying to make a profit, but that seems like an odd way to do so.
     
  16. voxsartoria

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    Looking at the pictures it seems like this is the only case that has a hand stitched handle, and I can't even be sure it is:
    http://www.brooksbrothers.com/IWCatP...=&sectionsize=


    I have that one and the handle is handstitched, although the rest of the bag is not.


    - B
     
  17. Joenobody0

    Joenobody0 Senior member

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    I have that one and the handle is handstitched, although the rest of the bag is not. - B
    Sorry I didn't read clearly. Thanks for confirming that case has the hand stitched handle. Anyone that's interested in one of these cases should really consider only the hand stitched handle. The machine made one is very shitty. It's not much nicer than the one on my Filson Field Satchel (252).
     
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    Here's my Peal lid-over. It's definitely machine-stitched.

    As others have noted, if you can grab one of the Peals at 40% off ($900), you'll save $400+ over Classic Luggage's prices.

    [​IMG]

    Here's a picture of the handle. Comparing it to the ones pictured on Classic Luggage's web site, this handle looks more like the SAB machine-stitched model, but it's really difficult to tell.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. HEPennypacker

    HEPennypacker Senior member

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    Out of curiosity, how long have you had that case? It looks to be patinating well.
     
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    Out of curiosity, how long have you had that case? It looks to be patinating well.

    I've had it three or four years, but I don't carry it very often. It's hard to tell from the lighting in my office (where I took the picture), but it's still pretty close to the original color. However, I've put a few coats of SAB hide food on the case, which has warmed up the color a bit.
     

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