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Dirt strains on the outside of cuffs and collar

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by bfayer, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. bfayer

    bfayer Member

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    I wear brook brothers non iron dress shirts, and for some reason everytime I wear them I get these dirt stains on the outside of cuffs and collar. I've read about "ring around the collar", but that doesn't seem to make sense, since the stains are always on the outside of the shirt, not the inside, aka not that part that my skin is actually touching. Furthermore, they seem to be happening even though I'm not sweating. I shower every morning, I don't even sweat that much relative to most guys (although living in NYC in the summer, I do sweat then), but it's now the fall and pretty cold and I still have this problem.

    What can I do to prevent them? What is causing them?

    It's really annoying to have to use oxyclean and handwash the collar every night, I feel like I'm the only one with this problem.

    Anyone have any experience with using bleach on brook brothers non iron shirts? One of my white shirts, I won't be able to get rid of the stains at this point as they have already set due to drying it already (After scrubbing it vigorously many times before, before just giving up)...

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
     
  2. GBR

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  3. bfayer

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    uh.. thanks for the help?
     
  4. dapperdoctor

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    I wash my dress shirts on delicate setting and they don't get destroyed. Maybe you could try that.
     
  5. MRM1

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    I wear the exact same shirts. In fact, about a year ago I switched completely to BB non-iron shirts precisely because I was tired of having my shirts ruined with dark stains that never seemed to come out when I had them laundered. I now insist on doing my own shirts because no one else does them right and its so easy. I used to wear shirts a couple of times. Now that it's so easy to have newly cleaned and ironed shirts I wear each one once before washing it again.

    The secret is Shout. Here's my routine. I take my shirt off, throw it in the closet, and wait until the end of the week when I have enough shirts to make a load of laundry. I gather them all up, unbutton everything, take the stays out of the collars, and makre sure everything is right side out. Then I spray a little Shout on the collar and anywhere else there is any kind of stain. I let the shirts sit for as long as it takes to fill the washing machine. I cheat a little and use warm instead of cold. I use regular detergent and a scoop of Oxyclean. I put the shirts in the machine and let them agitate for a while. Then I open the washing machine lid and let them soak for about half an hour. Then I shut the lid and let everything cycle normally. The soaking part is total overkill. It never makes a difference when I don't soak the shirts, but it makes me feel bettr when I do it.

    When they're done, I pull everything out of the washing machine, snap the shirts open a couple of times to unwrinkle them as much as possible, and toss them into the dryer. I let them dry on permanent press setting. As long as I catch the shirts before they sit in the dryer and get all wrinkled, they come out almost as good as if they've already been ironed. I try to catch them as they're dry but the dryer is still cycling. I put them right on hangers and let them sit for a while. Lots of times I wear them just like that. But usually I hit them with a steamer to take out the wrinkles. I can steam the entire week's worth of shirts plus a few of my wife's in half an hour or so.

    I'm not that anal about anything else in my life, but I do like a nice, clean, crisp shirt.
     
  6. MRM1

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    Also, I set the washer on its longest cycle but I use the highest level of water available so there is a lot of room for the shirts to slosh around without getting torn apart by the washing machine.
     
  7. bfayer

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    Thanks for the replies. It just seems weird that they are getting dirty for no apparent reason. I don't get how the dirt is on the outside of the cuffs/collar, and its a pain to have to do all this extra care to keep them clean rather than just be able to throw them in to the wash.

    Also do your brook brothers non iron shirts get really wrinkly in the the area where you bend your elbow? Some of my shirts get really wrinkled there while others are more resistant. The rest of the shirt stays wrinkle free though.
     
  8. bfayer

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    Bump... Anyone know to prevent this? I don't get how this is happening or what I can do to stop it, it seems to get discolored for no reason.
     
  9. atoms

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    Photos would really help here.
     
  10. bfayer

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    [​IMG]

    Sorry for the blurry image. But basically the shirt collar gets dirty on the outside of the collar, not the inside, which doesn't make sense to me. My skin isn't touching the outside of the shirt, and furthermore I don't even wear my collars with the top button closed. Anyone know what is causing this, and how to prevent it? these are brook brothers non iron shirts.

    Thanks
     
  11. MyOtherLife

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    Bathe more often and exfoliate when you do.
     
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  12. bfayer

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    I shower every morning before I get dressed....
     
  13. atoms

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    I want to make sure I am seeing what you're asking about. Are the spots circled in green here what you're trying to troubleshoot? I believe I see some blotches. Do note that ring around the collar is usually more pronounced at the top edge of a collar than the actual inside. And your photo seems to have an excess at the top edge.
    [​IMG]

    I don't mean this to be offensive, but don't discount your cleanliness yet. Some of us are more oily than others and bathing has little to do with it.Is your head hair possibly contributing to this? Do you touch your neck with your hands and not realize it (like some people do when trying to stretch their neck)? Do you have dirty seat and/or head rests somewhere such as car or office? Do you apply hair products, particularly while wearing the shirt?

    This isn't a problem caused by a shirt. Somehow you're causing this. And you're probably transferring it somehow to/from cuffs/collar. Really pay attention to yourself all day and you'll probably figure it out.

    One more thing...are you sure your shirts aren't coming out of the wash with these stains? Because it could also be your actual wash process adding them.
     
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  14. bfayer

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    Yes it is the circled part. I thought the photo was clear when I took the photo, and then I hand washed the stain out before I checked and realized it was blurry.

    How can it be ring around the collar considering that the dirty part is not the part where my skin actually touches. I don't think it is being transfered by my hands since I am constantly retucking my shirt all day, and the body of my shirt isn't getting these stains.

    I use axe hair wax but I put it in before I put my dress shirt on. It is possibly that I am more oily, I'm not discounting anything. I was just responding to someone implying that I don't bathe frequently enough. I use head and shoulders dandruff shampoo and conditioner when I shower.

    I think it may be my office chair head rest, I just took a paper towl with soap and water and wiped it across the seat headrest and a ton of dirt came out. So that may be it. I tried wiping it more, but I couldn't seem to wipe it clean. Any suggestions? Just buy a headrest cover?

    It's not from the wash though because they come out clean if I do pretreatment.
     
  15. MyOtherLife

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    That would be my fault for you inferring this and to you sir, my apologies.
    I was not aware of or didn't notice any reference to hair wax usage or office chair problems previous to my first response..
    You are doing the right thing by isolating the possibilities by investigating both the hair wax and the chair headrest. Please keep us updated.
    Welcome to Styleforum.
     
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2012

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