digital watches with suits

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by lesjinx, Jun 5, 2012.

  1. Frankie22

    Frankie22 Senior member

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    If your a trendy guy, I can see it done with a slim suit with a white G shock or something of that nature. Classic dress or SF approval, nah...
     
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  2. minervau

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    Dear God, please let's not start a trend of wearing plastic watches with suits. It's probably a good rule of thumb that a man's dress watch should cost at least as much as two of his suits. Think about it this way. How many suits do you need, 4-5 if you're a daily wearer? How many watches do you need? (My answer would be two -- dress and casual.)
     


  3. cptjeff

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    I'd be tempted to wear one of those old casios for the retro kick. Of course, that would be retro-chic rather than plastic abomination. It could even look nice if you found one of the metal ones.
     


  4. Twotone

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    Digital watches only look good if you are wearing a digital suit. Otherwise, go automatic or hand wind. Even an inexpensive Seiko 5 is a better choice.
     


  5. cptjeff

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    I think you mean analog. Apart from skeleton watches, the movement type has no effect on appearance. You can get very nice looking analog quartz watches. The "my movement was made in a remote monastery in the alps" bit that seems to drive so much of the automatic market is just snobbery, it makes absolutely no functional difference.
     


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    Some might say that a fully canvassed, hand-worked suit is equal snobbery when a fused, machine made suit would do just as well.
     
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  7. cptjeff

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    Except that that canvassing gives the suit better shape, molds to your body, and makes a difference in durability.

    What difference does a mechanical movement make for a watch again? A little less accurate, if anything, and requiring expensive tuning from an experienced pro every so often rather than needing a cheap battery change every few years.

    You're not getting a functional upgrade. At all. You can justify it as appreciation for the craft, appreciation for the artisan work or whatever, but the vast majority of people buying automatics are doing it because they think it makes them more special than the schlubs wearing watches with [gasp] batteries.
     
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  8. AML225

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    A little less accurate? Sure. "Requiring expensive tuning from an experienced pro every so often" No.

    My Rolex GMT Master II has been on my wrist everyday for 10 years. I beat the absolute hell out of this watch. Never serviced, still accurate to within 1 second a day. You seem like someone who appreciates the art of craftsmanship yet you dismiss automatic watches.


    Quote: First of all, that doesn't sound like a very scientific study. I'd like to see your sources to support this "vast majority of people" who think it makes them more special. Second of all you come off as someone who tries to justify after the fact that you can't/won't pony up the cash for a mechanical watch. That's fine. I wear a mechanical watch because I believe in the craft like you said. I'm a mechanical engineer and appreciate mechanical things. I think the vast majority of people who buy an automatic watch don't do it because of superiority, I doubt they could explain the difference between the eco-drive and their mechanical automatic watch. It's fine if you don't appreciate/desire something but let us not generalize about those who do.
     


  9. cptjeff

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    Okay, so you're not getting your watch tuned. Great, whatever. Is replacing a battery every 5 years or so that big a deal? Pardon if I see guides recommending servicing every few years and assume that the people writing them have some idea of what they're talking about.

    I'm not dismissing automatic watches as such. I appreciate a nice looking watch as much as anybody. But saying they're the only option and dismissing anything not mechanical out of hand simply because it's not mechanical reeks of snobbery. Setting up a duality between ugly digital sport watches and mechanical watches rather than a duality between ugly digital plastic things and nice looking analog watches shows exactly that attitude. If you have the money and like the watch, more power to you in buying a watch you like regardless of price. That's great. But a lot of people are buying the watches you like because of the mechanics because of the price, not in spite of it.

    And no, it's not a scientific study. Or at least, I haven't seen one, I'm sure the marketers do them all the time, but those results are private. But don't lie to yourself, it's pretty obvious. Expensive watches are marketed on bling. Styles get bigger and gaudier, which is pretty easily interpreted as conspicuous display of wealth. Oversized, tacky rolexes are commonly acknowledged as a sign of the nouveau riche. Think about the mindset behind that for a moment. They buy expensive watches simply because they're expensive and look expensive. To reinforce the point, think about fake rolexes for a minute. Why would there be a market for cheap knockoffs of something if the people buying them weren't trying to steal from the perceived status of the rolex? A lot of those would be decent looking and operating watches on their own. If expensive watches weren't about the status, why would they be ripping off the name, and why would people still pay a premium for the rippoff of that name?

    You don't need to see the scientific study to get a pretty decent understanding of what signals marketers are trying to send, and to get an understanding of exactly what they're seeing, both from studies and in culture.
     


  10. Prince of Paisley

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  11. lesjinx

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    Im sure that most members here will agree that your clothing is symbolic and that what you wear is how you are portrayed. For example if you wear a navy pinstripe suit with a contrasting collar shirt with french cuffs and a loud red paisley tie and walk into a meeting there is a chance you could be met with hostility, on the other hand if you walk into a meeting with a solid navy suit, a light blue shirt with button cuffs and a navy tie there is a much better chance that you will reach an agreement. In my opinion I feel that many members here especially the usual suspects who post regularly may not necessarily wear suits because they are in a position to do so but contrary wear them because they like to play dress up. that in turn may lead them to not fully understand this topic.

    the comparison between digital watch vs analog watch vs no watch is an interesting one, atleast to me and maybe to others who wear suits for purpose rather than dress up. I will say that ive never worn a watch, its not because I have a phone that I could look at but its more along the lines of being humble. I am in international trade and my dads company is involved in import and distribution so I meet with principals of companies to strike distribution agreements that may take a day or a week even a month depending on the terms, where you could go back and fourth to the table to discuss terms and renegotiate them until both sides are happy. I feel that by dressing unassuming, you are more likeable especially when youre trying to do a deal which is more favorable to you. I think that by wearing a digital watch vs no watch could make you come off more humble or increase a sense of honesty. Since we associate digital watches as being cheap, wearing a cheap watch may signal that youre a simple person, which may lead people around you to drop their guard. Ofcourse I could be wrong, but by dressing conservatively in solid navy suits, solid white or light blue shirts with button cuffs and solid blue ties of different shades I have accomplished good results over these past 3 years
     


  12. Quadcammer

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    What is this likeable crap? you think wearing a cheap digital watch is making you more likeable? 95% of people couldn't care less what watch you are wearing, and the remaining 5% won't like you cause you have a pos on your wrist.

    As for abramovich, he doesn't care. As was noted above, that thing serves some special purpose.

    As for paulson, I think he's a running freak and hence forth likes the g-shock. you really think people would care if Paulson showed up to a meeting with an IWC or something? the man was CEO of a global firm and head of the treasury...not to mention being middle aged. You'd expect that he would have a nice watch.


    you are over thinking the hell out of this. If you like digital watches, wear one. If you don't, don't.
     


  13. Quadcammer

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    This is all rubbish. If you are a likeable person with good communication and people reading skills, you could walk into your "international trade" meetings in a t-shirt and cargo shorts and get the deal done.

    If someone who you've been doing business with for years all of a sudden won't do a deal with you because of a contrast collar or a rolex, you probably aren't very good at that particular business.
     


  14. minervau

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    I think the better analogy is not mechanical : digital :: full-canvas wool suit : fused wool suit, but mechanical : digital :: full-canvas suit : synthetic fabric non-suit. The underlying technologies are completely different, the performance of synthetics or digital are superior, while the function is broadly the same (watches are for telling time, clothing is for covering your body and keeping you warm). Most people on Styleforum resist the idea that a man should go to work in the most casual clothes he can get away with, or that the world should have moved on so that UnderArmour is manufacturing what we wear to formal occasions (even though their sweat-wicking technology might actually hold up better under day-to-day wear, while being significantly less expensive). In the same way, a person who appreciates watches (and I'm only beginning to learn about them), could and should believe that a mechanical watch, while not a functional upgrade, is most consistent with their other choices. If you're going to go casual, what's the sense in splurging on a $5,000 Brioni suit but pairing it with a G-Shock? You can call it "ironic," but I doubt that any artist or intellectual figure is going to congratulate you on your wit for doing so.

    As for humility, there is a certain humility to wearing a cheap watch, and it's a trope that frequently comes up. Carlos Slim wears a Swiss Army watch, supposedly.

    That being said, a poster above makes a very good point re: presentation -- if you're going to a setting where you want to appear amenable rather than dominant, e.g., meeting with a counterparty to a business deal, or appearing in court as a lawyer (particularly in front of a jury), it may not be a good idea to show up wearing the Brioni/Hermes/Patek Philippe combo. But when you're Roman Abramovich and you're not really trying to impress anyone anymore, why the hell wouldn't you wear a Patek? He spent $75 million on Fernando Torres, you figure a $100,000 watch would seem a reasonable bargain after that. Save the G-Shock for when you get hauled in front of Putin and need to beg for mercy.
     
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  15. lesjinx

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    i assume you are referring to the comment made by mariooo, i doubt thats true for a simple reason that the polar m61 (the watch abramovich wears) is about 10 years old, polar has long ago discontinued the watch, abramovich is someone who has an unlimited amount of money and could afford to create his own watch which could be 10x more sophisticated if he had heart problems and needed a watch which is connected to his doctors. also oleg deripaska (another russian billionaire) has the same polar watch, i doubt he also has heart problems.
     


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