1. And... we're back. You'll notice that all of your images are back as well, as are our beloved emoticons, including the infamous :foo: We have also worked with our server folks and developers to fix the issues that were slowing down the site.

    There is still work to be done - the images in existing sigs are not yet linked, for example, and we are working on a way to get the images to load faster - which will improve the performance of the site, especially on the pages with a ton of images, and we will continue to work diligently on that and keep you updated.

    Cheers,

    Fok on behalf of the entire Styleforum team
    Dismiss Notice

Difference between stylish and effete?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by coatandthai, May 8, 2004.

  1. coatandthai

    coatandthai Senior member

    Messages:
    272
    Joined:
    May 7, 2004
    For me, cufflinks, monograms, fitted shirts, horsebit loafers, logoed polo shorts, collar bars, and Hermes ties are just too much. Where do you draw the line between fashionable and foppish?
     
  2. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Messages:
    1,802
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2003
    Well, I agree that wearing all of those items at once would be a bit too much. Individually, though, with the exception of the monograms and the logoed polo shirts, I think that all can work given the correct individual.

    As for me, I don't worry about the line between fashionable and foppish. I trust my aesthetic sensibility and wear what I like and what I think is appropriate.
     
  3. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Messages:
    4,441
    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2002
    Location:
    London, UK
    It's your choice and your line.
     
  4. gregory

    gregory Senior member

    Messages:
    552
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2004
    I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand. Does this mean you do not like logoed polo shirts and monograms?

    I have monogrammed shirts from Jantzen, but they are monogrammed in the yoke so no one gets to see them.
    I also bought several Lacoste polo shirts recently.

    For me, I do not like anything that is loud. Cuff links, tight shirts, monograms, Hermes ties, logoed polo shirts can be subtle/simple and hence acceptable. But ocassionaly it might be considered stylish to wear, say, a very plain white shirt with jeans and an outrageous pair of cuff links.
     
  5. jcusey

    jcusey Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Messages:
    1,802
    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2003
    Yes, that is what I mean. I think that if Polo or Lacoste want me to advertise their shirts, they should pay me to do so instead of me paying them. As for monograms, I can remember who I am, so I don't need them. Discreetly done, however, I have no objection to them for others if that's what they want.
     
  6. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Senior member

    Messages:
    3,134
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2002
    Location:
    Cygnus X-1
    Haha, very well said.
     
  7. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

    Messages:
    9,760
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2004
    Location:
    Tokyo
    I hate those Gucci hats with monogram G's all over them. It looks so tacky/stupid/rediculous/angering.

    And I also think the men's Seven for all mankind jeans have a pretty effete cut.. I don't care for it.

    Cufflinks I love, and all my shirts are "fitted" (otherwise I don't wear them).
     
  8. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Senior member

    Messages:
    3,134
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2002
    Location:
    Cygnus X-1
    Yeah, fitted shirts are really foppish..I much prefer to have heinous amounts of fabric billowing forth. [​IMG]
     
  9. PeterMetro

    PeterMetro Senior member

    Messages:
    796
    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2002
    Location:
    New York
    Well, there's fitted, and then there's fitted. Of course you want any piece of clothing to fit according to your proportions. But, some men wear shirts that fit on them like a second skin; unbutton a few buttons and you've got Saturday Night Fever for the new millennium. The look is feminine - I'm not into it.
     
  10. Thracozaag

    Thracozaag Senior member

    Messages:
    3,134
    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2002
    Location:
    Cygnus X-1
    In order to wear a properly fitted suit, one needs a properly fitted shirt. The two go hand-in-hand.
     
  11. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

    Messages:
    4,458
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2003
    can someone please define the words 'foppish' and 'effete'?
    i don't know what you guys are talking about.

    i agree that it is tacky to wear clothing with logos/advertising on them.

    there is a big difference between something that is fitted and something that is tight. too many people are using these words interchangeably.

    what's so different about an hermes tie?

    i don't like jewelry on men, so that leaves out collar bars and cufflinks, though silk knots are cool on formal occasions.
     
  12. gregory

    gregory Senior member

    Messages:
    552
    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2004
    Can an exception be made for the crocodile? I just bought four of them.
     
  13. matadorpoeta

    matadorpoeta Senior member

    Messages:
    4,458
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2003
    i agree that it is tacky to wear clothing with logos/advertising on them.
    Can an exception be made for the crocodile? I just bought four of them.
    NO EXCEPTIONS... [​IMG]
     
  14. AlanC

    AlanC Senior member

    Messages:
    7,805
    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2003
    Location:
    Heart of America
    i agree that it is tacky to wear clothing with logos/advertising on them.
    Can an exception be made for the crocodile? I just bought four of them.
    Oh, I think it will be fine as long as your collar is up... [​IMG]
     
  15. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

    Messages:
    4,582
    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    [​IMG]
     
  16. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

    Messages:
    25,745
    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Location:
    Constantinople
    Foppish or effete connotates dandyism. Now, by my signature I am a full proponent of dandyism.

    Stylish seemingly suggests someone who likes modish things, and wears them. Most likely Gucci, Prada, and etc. Well dressed is somewhat different. And effete is perhaps hairdresser styles with lots of gold jewellery.

    But really there is no specific category for what you have mentioned. It's all very relative.
     
  17. High_Roller

    High_Roller Senior member

    Messages:
    203
    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2002
    Location:
    Canada
    I think it really depends on the person and attitude. I don't expect to see a priest or a business man wear a pop art Donatella Versace shirt. However, with some people (say, people who work in the arts, or younger guys), I could see them looking good in something like that. What really matters is the overall demeanor in which the person wears something. I like to have an open mind when it comes to clothes. I'm willing to give anything a chance. Well, almost anything.
     
  18. General Koskov

    General Koskov Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    68
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2004
    Location:
    Winnipeg
    I seen it written (sorry, I forget where) that dandyism and foppishness/effetism are opposites. This is of course because the Dandy, as presented by George Brummel et al. took to wearing plain clothes, emphasizing the subtleties of dress such as cut and fit, rather than brocaded silk coats and gold embroidery. The latter features are associated with foppishness which would therefore connotate excess in dress. Dandyism connotates simplicity.

    But of course language evolves and the two words have become synonymous. Not yet homonymous, though.
     
  19. montecristo#4

    montecristo#4 Senior member

    Messages:
    12,263
    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2004
    Location:
    Reagan Country (Massachusetts)
    Cufflinks -- love them. Not loving cuff links means you don't like Frech cuff shirts. French cuff shirts are the most elegant form of shirt, IMHO. Naturally, one must be tasteful in link selection. E.g. I love my Tiffany 24k gold knots. Monograms -- Cheesy on the outside, utilitarian on the inside. Fitted shirts -- I hate wearing a shirt that isn't fitted properly. The shirts I order from Jantzen now are "form", but track pretty well to my classic New & Lingwoods in terms of fit. Horsebit loafers -- Classic. Love my Gucci horsebit driving shoes. Logoed polo shorts -- Don't like shorts as a general rule. Do you mean shirts? I'll wear a logoed Polo shirt. I actually like the non-logoed polos with the pocket that JCrew is selling these days. Collar bars -- Never worn one, never will. Hermes ties -- I pick the ties that appeal to me, whether they are Hermes, Zegna, Dormieul, etc.. A good looking, sharp dresser knows how to blend these elements without coming off as pretentious, effeminate, or effete. I know I'm pulling it off because of the daily complements I get from the women here at work. [​IMG] Montecristo#4
     

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by