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Determining the authenticity

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by hopkins_student, May 3, 2005.

  1. hopkins_student

    hopkins_student Senior member

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    Anybody know what to look out for? The Brioni tie that I purchased on eBay came today, and it is a beautiful and thick tie (thicker than any other tie I own), and it has the gold keeper. Any Brioni experts know what to look for? Thanks.
     


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    demeis Senior member

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    Is this one of the ties from Lebannon? If so i can't wait to hear about them because i've been thinking about getting one but was unsure.

    My guess as for quality (i've never owned a brioni but have sold many) is the quality of the silk andthe craftman ship of the tie. If you had another brioni i would compare it to that. or possibly bring it to a store and have them identify it.
     


  3. hopkins_student

    hopkins_student Senior member

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    Yes, it is one of the ties from Lebanon, but I believe the seller is in Canada. The craftsmanship of the tie is equal to the best I've seen elsewhere. Unfortunately I haven't developed a feel for good silk, bad silk, mediocre silk,etc. At this point, I don't have any reason (aside from the unbelievably low price) to assume that it isn't authentic. Also, at the price I paid ($35 plus shipping), it's such a nice tie that it's probably a hell of a deal even if it isn't authentic. I would just like to know for my own inner comfort if it is or isn't a real one, and I don't have anyone close by that carries Brioni (but I will next year).
     


  4. demeis

    demeis Senior member

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    I'd probibly recommend posting detailed pictures if you can i'm sure it would make it easier for those who know a lot about brioni to tell you. I might just have to go order a few, do you mind if i ask what seller you used?
     


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    I've purchased a few of those ties and they might be fake, but I really doubt it. They are very well-made, substantial ties. Also they have the little gold keeper in back. Now, you could probably fake that, but wouldn't that be a lot of trouble for a brand that is not really a hot fashion-forward brand? As well, they come in the Brioni tie box. Again, I'm sure they could find some Brioni tie boxes to send these in, but when you add all this stuff up, it just seems unlikely they are fake.
     


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    I've asked a Neiman-Marcus salesman to track down a Brioni tie that sold on ebay to see if he can find another one for me (I got busy at work and forgot to bid). I emailed him a picture and if he actually tries to find the tie and is successful, we'll at least know that the patterns are authentic.
     


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    Stu Senior member

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    It could be that those ties were made for just the European market as well. Just a random thought.
     


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    I may as well give it a try. Which one would you guys go with to match up with the new blue/white seersucker I purchased?
     


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    I just received a Zilli tie from the same seller today (Zilli is a French label that specializes in extremely fine leather goods like jacekts and wallets, though I have found their shirts to be among the best RTW I have ever had). While I don't own any other Zilli ties, and thus cannot comare it, I would have to say that if it is a fake, it is still an extremely nice tie regardless of the label on it. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Zilli is not that well known, so while you might fake a Brioni label, you are unlikely to fake a Zilli label. If that is true, it stands to reason that the Brionis are probably real. But then again, who knows?
     


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    My opinion differs from that of everyone else: I think the Brioni ties are fake. Look at the other ties the guy is selling - all obviously fake.
     


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    I think one of the causes for concerns was the unusual appearance of some of his other tie brands, which may prompt one to question authenticity of his overall wares. For example his Hermes ties have a self-fabric keeper, a Hermes Paris print on the logo keeper, a Hermes Paris stamp on the inside lining, and no serial number, which are at least unlike any Hermes tie I've ever seen. Look at his Zegna ties too, has Zegna ever used a red tag like that on their ties (that looks like the tags from the infamous Tessuto Zegna suits)? I'm pretty sure Canali doesn't do logo stamping on the inside rear lining, especially not in a font that doesn't match their logo. I think another poster here mentioned that his Dolce and Gabbana ties looked fake.

    At least by the transitive property I find all his other tie auctions suspicious. I don't know enough to comment for sure on the Brionis since the authentic ties I've have a lot of variance between them, I wouldn't bid on anything from this seller.
     


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    I have agree with Mike F on this one. How could one aquire such a massive quantity of Brioni ties(if they were real) and sell at such a low price point?
     


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    Well, I was suspicious when I purchased it, and I knew I was taking a risk. It's a nice tie that I still plan to wear, maybe when I get to LA I'll take it to the Brioni store and see what they have to say. It surprises me that anyone would go as far as to fake the gold keeper, but who knows.
     


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    As a follow up to my earlier post, the Zilli tie looks exactly like the ones on their website (www.zilli.fr), even in the back. Do Hermes, Brioni, etc. manufacture different tags/styles for the European market in ties the way they do in other clothes?
     


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