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Designing/Selling Clothes

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by stylar, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Having gone through this process over the last 4-5 years I can tell you it is an incredible uphil battle. We started by taking basic classes to acquire working knowledge of sewing and pattern drafting. This is important for both a working knowledge and to develop the vocabulary necessary to interact with contractors.

    We then found a pattern maker that we could trust and work with closely to develop our fit and the basic pattern blocks for our line. This is where you start spending gobs of money because if you are not a proficient pattern maker yourself you need to be preparred to go through lots of revisions before you get sometihng to something you are happy with.

    You then need to make inroads with every fabric house and contractor in the industrytahtyou can come in contact with. I spent a year while between jobs calling door after door from LA to London and Milan to meet people in the industry and to try to build a working relationship.

    I could go on and on but this would turn into a small novel. You are more then welcome to PM if you would like advice by email or phone. Long story short there is no quick or easy way to get into this business. Learn as much as you can and save up your pennies. We spent $30k developing our first block of patterns before we ever saw our first sale.

    Best of luck go take some classes and get hungry you got a long road ahead of you


    This is a nice story, and not to discount your work done, we are not competitiors, but this sounds pretty glamorizing and overly glorious, IMO; it should not take 4-5 years, nor should it cost the '$30K before seeing a sale'... those are just factors dependent on how much work you want to do, you can make as much money as you want to in this business, whenever you want to. You just need to know what you are doing.
    I could complete the same amount of work or show anyone else how to complete this same amount of work in 2 weeks, for less then $30K. That is not to show you up, I'm just saying that when you throw words like 'fashion designer, Milan, London, New York City, drawings, patterns, $30K' together, you're asking for costs that you don't need or need to pay to play.
    I won't disclose what I've made in this business, because it comes from varying sources beyond the actual clothing as merchandise, but less than a year ago, I started with $300 that I borrowed from a friend, and I've made XXX times that amount of money on my investment, while selling below wholesale and at prices too low to give an exchange or refund on an item and not take a hit. $30K on a first pattern is insane. I spent $50 for a rough pattern, $30 for a set of swiss curves and hooks, $1.50 on a measuring tape, and $3 for a pack of paper and some pencils, and rolled up my sleeves and got to work. Not every one is going to be able to do that, but there's definitely something out there for people, between the $100 mark and $30,000.
     
  2. KitAkira

    KitAkira Senior member

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    Wait, seriously?
    Do not question the (0)!
    Yigal Azrouel - Skills were self taught, with no formal training in clothing or design before starting his label in 1998 (not implying a background in clothing isn't extremely valuable, just playing devils advocate)
    But he could still sew
     
  3. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Wait, seriously?

    yes, 100% serious. the fattest cash cow I've ever heard of, if you like to milk. [​IMG]
     
  4. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    But he could still sew


    Most of my heroes are self-taught men. Raf Simons to Tadao Ando. Part of being a man is to take up a challenge on your own, and develop your own 'scent' (foblish) through tenacity and determination.
     
  5. brad-t

    brad-t Senior member

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    I won't disclose what I've made in this business, because it comes from varying sources beyond the actual clothing as merchandise, but less than a year ago, I started with $300 that I borrowed from a friend, and I've made XXX times that amount of money on my investment, while selling below wholesale and at prices too low to give an exchange or refund on an item and not take a hit. $30K on a first pattern is insane. I spent $50 for a rough pattern, $30 for a set of swiss curves and hooks, $1.50 on a measuring tape, and $3 for a pack of paper and some pencils, and rolled up my sleeves and got to work. Not every one is going to be able to do that, but there's definitely something out there for people, between the $100 mark and $30,000.

    baller as fuck
     
  6. Sebastian_Flyte

    Sebastian_Flyte Senior member

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    I know nothing about users elcmens or impolyt_one, but if I wanted to start a clothing line, I would find guys like (presumably) them, go through their existing people/contacts and pay them a commission on the clothing sold or just a fee up front. Why reinvent the wheel and spend a year or years learning what these guys already know?
     
  7. Listi

    Listi Senior member

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    Yigal Azrouel - Skills were self taught, with no formal training in clothing or design before starting his label in 1998 (not implying a background in clothing isn't extremely valuable, just playing devils advocate)
    Raf Simons was self taught too. But of course, this self-teaching took years :p If you can work hard enough to self-teach, you're probably going places.
     
  8. impolyt_one

    impolyt_one Senior member

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    Having gone through this process over the last 4-5 years I can tell you it is an incredible uphil battle. We started by taking basic classes to acquire working knowledge of sewing and pattern drafting. This is important for both a working knowledge and to develop the vocabulary necessary to interact with contractors.

    We then found a pattern maker that we could trust and work with closely to develop our fit and the basic pattern blocks for our line. This is where you start spending gobs of money because if you are not a proficient pattern maker yourself you need to be preparred to go through lots of revisions before you get sometihng to something you are happy with.

    You then need to make inroads with every fabric house and contractor in the industrytahtyou can come in contact with. I spent a year while between jobs calling door after door from LA to London and Milan to meet people in the industry and to try to build a working relationship.

    I could go on and on but this would turn into a small novel. You are more then welcome to PM if you would like advice by email or phone. Long story short there is no quick or easy way to get into this business. Learn as much as you can and save up your pennies. We spent $30k developing our first block of patterns before we ever saw our first sale.

    Best of luck go take some classes and get hungry you got a long road ahead of you


    I need to quote this again, because I woke up this morning after having replied to it last night, and the first thing that happened across my brain this morning was '... what the fuck? that guy spent thirty thousand dollars on patterning?' '4-5 years' ?? I realize that's not impossible - but worth it? You can do a lot more, tons more, with a lot less.
    I am not sure if I will still be making clothes in 4-5 years, but I know that if I do, I will have made thousands upon thousands of pieces of clothes, and still not spent $30K on patterns, not even half that. That is insane. I am pretty thrifty about this kind of stuff, but still. Shit. I want to start a restaurant in the near future and I'd want thirty grand to go double what it normally does, and fashion labels and restaurants are not dissimilar, except for the fact that you can make something from almost nothing in fashion, if you know what to do.
     
  9. wingspan

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    Sorry to revive a dead horse but I ride bikes a little bit and I came across these cool cats that made their own line for cyclists. It's called OUTLIER. I bought one of their shirts just for riding and it was so cool that I looked at their "about" page and saw some youtube vids about how they make this stuff. Apparently, they didn't know anything about pattern making and it seemed as if they didn't know anything about drawing either for that matter. I spent like 3 hours watching these videos and honestly, it seemed as if they were just making this stuff as they went along with their tailor. Now I know why I spent so much on one shit.
     
  10. knya

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    mz.cutie is a cute little lady
     

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