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denim recommendation?

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Renault78law, Apr 21, 2005.

  1. Cake

    Cake Well-Known Member

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    If you can look beyond the branding and marketing, there is always Gap selvedge, which offers a fuller straight cut. Not exactly a "cult" brand, but if you're looking for good value then nothing can compare, except for a pair of Uniqlos. Good quality rope dyed, ringspun Kurabo denim, mismatched buttons (just like PRPS), comes in a one wash version. Very generous with the fabric, too; my 34 inseam is actually close to 38"-39" because of the turnups (it's 34" with the turnups). In terms of quality of construction there is nothing to differentiate it from a Regular Ralf or APC. It's probably a notch higher than the APC (gasp.), and even features a selvedge coin pocket. There is a crotch rivet, which I like. Usually on sale at Gap stores nationwide. You can buy two for the price of one Regular Ralf, and one can appreciate it for what it is, which is a simple, great pair of jeans I did a search and I think ringring posted these picture links a while ago (thanks ringring). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...k/HPIM0356.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...k/HPIM0357.jpg
     
  2. T4phage

    T4phage Senior member

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    Isn't the selvedge on the coin pocket usually on the inside? Or is this one of their "details"?
     
  3. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    Yea, selvage is usually on the inside of the coin pocket. I don't care what kind of arguments exist for GAP jeans, they're still GAP. Boring, archetypal, lillywhite GAP.
     
  4. T4phage

    T4phage Senior member

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    [​IMG] Brian, do you have something against GAP?
     
  5. rearviewmirror

    rearviewmirror Well-Known Member

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    Brian will come around to GAP eventually I'm sure.

    It doesn't seem like it was very long ago that I read a post by Brian stating how gross it was to wear unwashed denim for an extended period of time. =)
     
  6. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Moderator

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    And rearviewmirror will one day expound on the virtues of the cut and details of Corpus jeans, not to mention the really cool slubby denium they use...
     
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    Brian SD Senior member

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    Hahahaha, yea, well.. My disdain for GAP has far outlived any other clothing opinions of mine. It's probably there to stay forever. [​IMG]
     
  9. benchan

    benchan Senior member

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    I am with you, APC is a bit over-rated in my opinion....If you turn an APC jeans inside out and inspect the stitchings and construction etc, it just ain't all that well made. And what's with cutting off part of the label with "Made in XXXX" printed on it. I think most APC customers know their jeans are made in Tunisa or Macau?  

    If you don't insist on raw selvage denim or a upscale brand, Diesel Rolan in dark wash is a pretty decent pair of basic jeans.
     
  10. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    This is exactly the problem that I have with a lot of posts on the Men's Clothing forum that I always end up arguing with - screw durability and stitching quality. All upscale unwashed jeans are going to be durable to a higher degree, so just go with what looks best. The cut of GAP jeans (selvage or otherwise) is just like the brand itself. There's nothing special about it, and it doesn't have a particularly good cut. They're just kind of there. APC, on the other hand, while also being unbranded, have a much more updated, and simply cool fit all the way down. They have a bland design, but the body of them is absolutely not mundane.

    APC proves that you can get attention by looking great without having D&G monogrammed all over your jeans. GAP proves that you don't want attention, you've never in your life wanted attention in your life, and that along with liking bland jeans that only come from a history of blandness, you just might be a bland person yourself.

    No offense to anyone who wears GAP jeans, by the way. I'm exaggerating. A lot.
     
  11. Cake

    Cake Well-Known Member

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    The Moderator has spoken. My apologies for submitting an insipid Gap recommendation. I'll dig out my closet and punish myself by wearing some acid washed Guess jeans this week (plus the ribbed swirly sweater). That'll keep the fashion police happy.

    PS/- Renault78law, you're on your own mate.
     
  12. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Moderator

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    I don't know Brian. While I don't wear Gap jeans, and don't intend to, based on the same prejudiced you have, I don't think that liking GAP jeans in and of itself implies anything about a person's character. Context is everything. In fact, I would say that a real denimhead, (of which many of us are), who buys and wears GAP jeans irregardless that they are considered crap by his (or her, but most denimfreaks are guys) peers and who actually doesn't give a damn that it's not 5EPs, Corpus, APC, or whatever, is a guy with some real balls.

    This is analogous to the arguments I make repeatedly on the main forum to buck the rules, except that the rules here are less formal and made up by a bunch of people who would say that they hate rules, but live and judge by them nonetheless. In the same way that I would say that it's fine, even cool, to wear a tux (sorry, dinner jacket) with flapped pockets and single vents with a four-in-hand tie, as long as you can pull it off, and screw Flusser and his rules and his crappy haircut, you can wear GAP jeans with a Polo belt. There is only one condition - you've got to rock your own style, not be following whatever some book (Flusser, Roetzel, Manton) or the latest copy of Black Book tells you is *proper* or *cool*.

    Rant ended.
     
  13. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Moderator

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    You should read both moderators comments. But I would like to see those Guess jeans. With the swirling sweater. Let your freak flag flag high today.
     
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  15. Brian SD

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    Okay 1) I'm a moderator, but it has no bearing on the weight of my opinion. 2) I TRIED to make a disclaimer by saying I'm exaggerating. I didn't think you guys would take it so seriously, the claims about "you don't want attention, you've never wanted attention, etc." were meant to be a joke. Sorry if you were offended. Nice anecdote from your prof, ringring, but I think snobbery can also be borne out of boredom after knowing enough about a certain subject that you need something to feel extreme about. [​IMG] The denim quality on the GAPs may be good, and the details are neat like the mis-matched buttons and selvage in the coin pocket, but it's the culture of GAP (basically, cultureless) that turns me off the most, and I think this is translated in the cut. I've tried them on - they look pretty good on me, but they do scream GAP. There is an importance in brand history and culture - ask any Levi's freak.
     
  16. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Moderator

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    Okay, everybody chill out or else we'll end up like the Men's Clothing forums [​IMG] That would suck.
     
  17. ringring

    ringring Senior member

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    There is an importance in brand history and culture - ask any Levi's freak. I'll drink to that all right. I wonder how GAPs history compares to APC and Nudie? [​IMG] [​IMG] Hey mods, things are pretty chilled at my end. I guess those winky smilies just aren't winky or smiley enough LOL. They need a tongue-firmly-in-cheek smiley. You guys have my full respect, even if you don't wear GAP lol.
     
  18. Brian SD

    Brian SD Senior member

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    What are you thinking, LA Guy? Does this thread need to be locked and ringring banned? RR, no one's gettin out of hand here (thankfully) - the main Clothing forum has been a mess of drama recently and we're all pretty cautious about this turning upside down and having 44 page threads about the appropriateness of black jeans. Well I'm not so sure on the history of Nudie to be honest, but Jean Touitou's work ideals and how he carries his brand is pretty amazing, really. It seems he likes to force people into things such lower-rise jeans and narrow jackets, and instead of being the one on dragging onto the back end other dying fashion trends and then releasing them years later, he does it to his own beat. APC is pretty disconnected styling-wise from the rest of the world of clothing in that same price range. Much moreso than Nudie (their obsession with vintage-treated t-shirts and crap-quality belts boggles me).
     
  19. LA Guy

    LA Guy Opposite Santa Staff Member Moderator

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    PC has great history and Jean Touitou deserves real credit for his line and limiting the distribution of it so that he had tight control over the direction of the line. Although he was derided originally as a French Gap, I think that this has been definitively been proven to be untrue.

    Nudie, on the other hand, while it makes great denim, is just an opportunistic brand leaping onto several bandwagons at the same time, both the distressed and the raw trends in denim, and the whole big belt buckle and vintage teeshirt thing that originated in California (well, this time around anyway.) Just check out who the founders of Nudie are. Brands like Corpus Denim and Carpe Denim, which were founded by denim enthusiasts and not by savvy industry execs, are a lot closer to APC and deserve much more respect than Nudie in terms of "history".

    Of course, Paper Denim, and to a lesser degree, Seven, were really the pioneer brands that broke open the processed, lux denim market that had been fermenting under (Diesel and Replay) long before that.

    Levis, Lee's, and Wrangler deserve a class all their own.
     
  20. Charles Rogers

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    We need a dedicated denim forum somewhere (here or sf).
     

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