I did a one hour hot soak when I got them...suckers are long! Which is also why they suffer the indignity of cuffing when where them with this blazer. It's exactly that LVC vibe that I use to justify doing the Opie on them. I have to decide soon which way I'm going with them, though. Do you hate the cuffs like everyone else? - B Were you double cuffing them? IMO single and shorter cuffs would be an improvement. Of course both require you to hem the jeans to 1-2.5" longer than usual inseam; the upside is that you can then occasionally switch to uncuffed and have mad stacking actionz.